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All Blacks 2021

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    Frank
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    #548

    Remember when we didn't have enough competition for the 6 spot?

    Kind of the opposite now.

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    • BovidaeB Bovidae

      @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

      Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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      @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

      @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

      Ross in fantastic form this year. Think De Groot might be the better long-term propsect.

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        #550

        Barring injuries i'd like to see this team get a crack early on in the season:

        1. Hodgman
        2. Taylor
        3. Tu'ungafasi
        4. Barrett
        5. Whitelock (c)
        6. Jacobson
        7. Savea
        8. Sotutu
        9. Smith
        10. Mo'unga
        11. Ioane
        12. Havili
        13. Leinert Brown
        14. Jordan
        15. J Barrett
        16. Aumua
        17. Tu'unukuafe
        18. Laulaula
        19. Rettalick
        20. Papali'i
        21. Weber
        22. McKenzie
        23. Fainga'anuku
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          #551
          1. Karl T
          2. Taylor
          3. Laulala
          4. Retallick
          5. Whitelock
          6. A. Ioane
          7. A. Savea
          8. H. Sotutu
          9. A. Smith
          10. R. Mo'unga
          11. L. Fainga'anuka
          12. D. Havaii
          13. ALB
          14. W. Jordan
          15. J. Barrett
          16. A. Aumua
          17. E. De Groot
          18. Ofa T
          19. S. Barrett
          20. D. Papali'i
          21. Weber
          22. B. Barrett
          23. R. Ioane
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            1. Karl T
            2. Taylor
            3. Laulala
            4. Retallick
            5. Whitelock
            6. A. Ioane
            7. A. Savea
            8. H. Sotutu
            9. A. Smith
            10. R. Mo'unga
            11. L. Fainga'anuka
            12. D. Havaii
            13. ALB
            14. W. Jordan
            15. J. Barrett
            16. A. Aumua
            17. E. De Groot
            18. Ofa T
            19. S. Barrett
            20. D. Papali'i
            21. Weber
            22. B. Barrett
            23. R. Ioane
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            Bones
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            #552

            @sparky that's more like it! @Mackerzzzz are you picking a side to get knocked out in the pool stage?

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            • O Old Samurai Jack

              @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

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              @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

              @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

              He's not exactly a newbie! Been around a few years now. I'm surprised he's only 24.

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                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                  Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                  @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                  Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                  Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                  Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                    Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                    Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                    Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                    Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

                    How often has Coles discipline been an issue at test level? I feel the opposite but probably more from personal experience - the longer in the tooth you get, the more likely you'll be able to pick up opposition cards than your own.

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                      Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                        #558

                        Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                          The back rowers that have impressed me the most this season have been papalii, Jacobson and blackadder. I was surprised how good the latter was at 7. Grace put in a good showing too vs the reds, but he has been otherwise somewhat quiet.

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                            Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                            @sparky I feel like I'm on your period journey with you most of the time, but sometimes you jump the shark and just throw random shit out there.

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                              https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                              @bones said in All Blacks 2021:

                              https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

                              Apart from Josh Ioane (I'd go for Otere Black), that AB (10 caps or less team) looks bloody potent.

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                                Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                                Canes4life
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                                @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                  @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                  @canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

                                  South Africa and England think they can mug us up front. I want AB forwards who can break their players.

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                                    @bones said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

                                    Apart from Josh Ioane (I'd go for Otere Black), that AB (10 caps or less team) looks bloody potent.

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                                    #564

                                    @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

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                                      @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

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                                      @sparky
                                      And I'm OK with Otere Black as a emergency backup. May not set the house on fire, but he's turned into a pretty safe pair of hands

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                                        Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

                                        Eklund is already 29 so hardly a player for the future. Slater has never impressed me but has time to improve. There is a reason that Taukei'aho plays big minutes for the Chiefs.

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                                        • sparkyS sparky

                                          @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

                                          Big call on Love. The Hurricanes don't allow him to play like a 10, so unless you have seen way more of him than I have I can't see how you can say he is better than the other young 10s.

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