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All Blacks 2021

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  • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

    @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
    I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
    Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
    Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
    And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

    @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
    I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
    Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
    Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
    And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

    Agree about 9. I've been impressed by both the Chiefs and the Highlanders scrums this year. I was worried a couple of weeks ago about Tom. Robinson's defensive work rate, but that has been improved in the last two games.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

      Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

      Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

      Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

      Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

      Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

      First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

      Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

      Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

      Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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      @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

      Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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        Remember when we didn't have enough competition for the 6 spot?

        Kind of the opposite now.

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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          @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

          Ross in fantastic form this year. Think De Groot might be the better long-term propsect.

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            Barring injuries i'd like to see this team get a crack early on in the season:

            1. Hodgman
            2. Taylor
            3. Tu'ungafasi
            4. Barrett
            5. Whitelock (c)
            6. Jacobson
            7. Savea
            8. Sotutu
            9. Smith
            10. Mo'unga
            11. Ioane
            12. Havili
            13. Leinert Brown
            14. Jordan
            15. J Barrett
            16. Aumua
            17. Tu'unukuafe
            18. Laulaula
            19. Rettalick
            20. Papali'i
            21. Weber
            22. McKenzie
            23. Fainga'anuku
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              #551
              1. Karl T
              2. Taylor
              3. Laulala
              4. Retallick
              5. Whitelock
              6. A. Ioane
              7. A. Savea
              8. H. Sotutu
              9. A. Smith
              10. R. Mo'unga
              11. L. Fainga'anuka
              12. D. Havaii
              13. ALB
              14. W. Jordan
              15. J. Barrett
              16. A. Aumua
              17. E. De Groot
              18. Ofa T
              19. S. Barrett
              20. D. Papali'i
              21. Weber
              22. B. Barrett
              23. R. Ioane
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              • sparkyS sparky
                1. Karl T
                2. Taylor
                3. Laulala
                4. Retallick
                5. Whitelock
                6. A. Ioane
                7. A. Savea
                8. H. Sotutu
                9. A. Smith
                10. R. Mo'unga
                11. L. Fainga'anuka
                12. D. Havaii
                13. ALB
                14. W. Jordan
                15. J. Barrett
                16. A. Aumua
                17. E. De Groot
                18. Ofa T
                19. S. Barrett
                20. D. Papali'i
                21. Weber
                22. B. Barrett
                23. R. Ioane
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                #552

                @sparky that's more like it! @Mackerzzzz are you picking a side to get knocked out in the pool stage?

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                • O Old Samurai Jack

                  @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

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                  @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

                  He's not exactly a newbie! Been around a few years now. I'm surprised he's only 24.

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                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                      Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                      @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                      Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                      Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                        @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                        Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                        Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                        Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                        Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                        Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                        Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

                        How often has Coles discipline been an issue at test level? I feel the opposite but probably more from personal experience - the longer in the tooth you get, the more likely you'll be able to pick up opposition cards than your own.

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                          Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                            Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                              The back rowers that have impressed me the most this season have been papalii, Jacobson and blackadder. I was surprised how good the latter was at 7. Grace put in a good showing too vs the reds, but he has been otherwise somewhat quiet.

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                              • sparkyS sparky

                                Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                                @sparky I feel like I'm on your period journey with you most of the time, but sometimes you jump the shark and just throw random shit out there.

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                                  @bones said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

                                  Apart from Josh Ioane (I'd go for Otere Black), that AB (10 caps or less team) looks bloody potent.

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                                    @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                      @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                      @canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

                                      South Africa and England think they can mug us up front. I want AB forwards who can break their players.

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                                        @bones said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

                                        Apart from Josh Ioane (I'd go for Otere Black), that AB (10 caps or less team) looks bloody potent.

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                                        @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

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                                        • sparkyS sparky

                                          @victor-meldrew Apart from Reuban Love, none of the younger First Fives in Super Rugby look nearly good enough to play Test footy. That's fine, all three of Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga and Damian Mckenzie should be around for the next World Cup

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                                          @sparky
                                          And I'm OK with Otere Black as a emergency backup. May not set the house on fire, but he's turned into a pretty safe pair of hands

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