Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process
That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.
If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.
It’s not unnatural for some people when they jump high for their leg to swing out high like that. I’m not a tall guy but when I was doing jump training I was taught to do this, mine never swung out far though.
Look at these guys and the difference in how far out their non landing leg goes out.
which one were you in the vid?
@voodoo other than the guy holding the broomstick…my jumping action was similar to Justice Hill, minus about 10 inches
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process
That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.
If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.
It’s not unnatural for some people when they jump high for their leg to swing out high like that. I’m not a tall guy but when I was doing jump training I was taught to do this, mine never swung out far though.
Look at these guys and the difference in how far out their non landing leg goes out.
@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
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@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
Which bit of Murphy's refereeing has lead you to believe he thinks?
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@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
Which is one of the concerns about the 20m RC. Refs will use it as a decision safeguard.
For incidents that aren't clear as obvious and probably need a better review than squinting at the big screen. There should be something like an orange card. Works like a Yellow with the added instruction that the citing officer needs to review. -
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
Which bit of Murphy's refereeing has lead you to believe he thinks?
@antipodean said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.
You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?
Which bit of Murphy's refereeing has lead you to believe he thinks?
He does seem to think he knows what he's doing.
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@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Good point by Ozzie journo
If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.
That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.
Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart
Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.
This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.
He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho
I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....
Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.
We beat them plenty of times with a wide ranging no 8 (K Read). In this team pattern the 8 plays more of the middle of field on attack and the 6 is out wide.
Of course that's only on attack and only during phase play.
@duluth said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Good point by Ozzie journo
If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.
That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.
Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart
Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.
This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.
He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho
I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....
Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.
We beat them plenty of times with a wide ranging no 8 (K Read). In this team pattern the 8 plays more of the middle of field on attack and the 6 is out wide.
Of course that's only on attack and only during phase play.
I'm wondering if it really matters what number is on their back. More where they line up at set play.
They'll probably line up traditionally at scrum 6, 7, 8. But lineouts there's scope for the configuration to be mixed up, I.e., if a loosie is used as a 2 jumper, or a 5 man lineout.
Interestingly I don't recall seeing the hooker out wide doing that same sort if role (that Coles used to).
Akira is a good assert out there though huh?
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@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.
To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head
:grinning_squinting_face:
On another note, I haven't read much about DMacs 1-handed ball placement - guess it didn't matter in the end, but if Reiko had done it the Fern would have exploded!
@voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.
To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head
:grinning_squinting_face:
On another note, I haven't read much about DMacs 1-handed ball placement - guess it didn't matter in the end, but if Reiko had done it the Fern would have exploded!
Only if he'd dropped it.
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@duluth said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Good point by Ozzie journo
If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.
That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.
Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart
Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.
This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.
He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho
I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....
Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.
We beat them plenty of times with a wide ranging no 8 (K Read). In this team pattern the 8 plays more of the middle of field on attack and the 6 is out wide.
Of course that's only on attack and only during phase play.
I'm wondering if it really matters what number is on their back. More where they line up at set play.
They'll probably line up traditionally at scrum 6, 7, 8. But lineouts there's scope for the configuration to be mixed up, I.e., if a loosie is used as a 2 jumper, or a 5 man lineout.
Interestingly I don't recall seeing the hooker out wide doing that same sort if role (that Coles used to).
Akira is a good assert out there though huh?
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Akira is a good assert out there though huh?
he plays out wide for the blues too.
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@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Akira is a good assert out there though huh?
he plays out wide for the blues too.
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Akira is a good assert out there though huh?
he plays out wide for the blues too.
Auckland has him at centre sometimes too which would be interesting to see at AB level. He'd create a lot of space for the wingers.
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Anyone still in doubt as to what SBW adds in commentary and opinion?
https://twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1434699480184631298?s=20
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I have to say it was a really unco action. Why would you need to extend your leg like that?
Not saying it was deliberate just really weird@crucial probably momentum as he was off balance. He was rotating backwards hence the awkward landing on his other leg. More reflexive than malicious. Thank God it was not for the whole game for the team. Unlucky for JB as he was playing well and offers something different than garden Gnome McKenzie.
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Any footage of when Taylor and Savea copped their head knocks?
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@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
I'll ask again, who is the lady next to SBW? I don't think it's roz, unless she has a great tan
This is her, I think.
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Any footage of when Taylor and Savea copped their head knocks?
@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Any footage of when Taylor and Savea copped their head knocks?
i just went back and looked on Stan, if saveas is what i think it is it seems to just be forgetting to move your face out of a tackle, he's only down for a phase or two and then get back up and plays for about a minute and a half until the next break in play including making a couple of tackles and making several rucks, couldnt even see what taylor did, just see him walk off behind the line to get treatment
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@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Interesting stat that the Wallabies had more carries and metres made?
@nostrildamus made my point.
Often the better team will have less time in possession because they'll score earlier in possession, and the lesser team will throw waves of attack against a better D.
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Interesting stat that the Wallabies had more carries and metres made?
@nostrildamus made my point.
Often the better team will have less time in possession because they'll score earlier in possession, and the lesser team will throw waves of attack against a better D.
And intercepts help.
I can just imagine TJP to Havili "Look, let's intercept all day long because I'm not match fit and we all know I can't pass for shit. Plus Weber is replacing Nugget for the first half."Yup, Foster could do worse than getting me to do all the talking at the postmatch pressies.
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@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Any footage of when Taylor and Savea copped their head knocks?
i just went back and looked on Stan, if saveas is what i think it is it seems to just be forgetting to move your face out of a tackle, he's only down for a phase or two and then get back up and plays for about a minute and a half until the next break in play including making a couple of tackles and making several rucks, couldnt even see what taylor did, just see him walk off behind the line to get treatment
@kiwiwomble said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Any footage of when Taylor and Savea copped their head knocks?
i just went back and looked on Stan, if saveas is what i think it is it seems to just be forgetting to move your face out of a tackle, he's only down for a phase or two and then get back up and plays for about a minute and a half until the next break in play including making a couple of tackles and making several rucks, couldnt even see what taylor did, just see him walk off behind the line to get treatment
You know for sure, if the game starts stopping for these, certain teams will be faking like fuck, unless you make it compulsory off for HIA if game stopped for you
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@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Scott Barrett…
There's always one ...
Me and Fozzie on a unity ticket, Scooter finished the test on the blindside
@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Scott Barrett…
There's always one ...
Me and Fozzie on a unity ticket, Scooter finished the test on the blindside
And Oz scored almost immediately... the openside completely disappeared from any TV screens too!
