All Blacks 2022
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby
This is a myth. Grace was off the pace early in Super Rugby and then got better with a few prominent games near the end of the season. Even in his big games in the finals he wasn't prefect and had a fairly high misses tackle count. He carried on his end of season good form for the Maori. But it's easy to see why he wasn't selected in the initial AB squad, he wasn't an incumbent from most of last season and had an average Super campaign with a good ending.
Saying he was better than Sotutu is just bollocks. If we're looking at Super campaigns then MMT probably had the best form over the season.
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
Gace - Fair Skinned Maori Jesus.
isn;t that already claimed by goodhue?
I don 't think he fits that criteria.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby
This is a myth. Grace was off the pace early in Super Rugby and then got better with a few prominent games near the end of the season. Even in his big games in the finals he wasn't prefect and had a fairly high misses tackle count. He carried on his end of season good form for the Maori. But it's easy to see why he wasn't selected in the initial AB squad, he wasn't an incumbent from most of last season and had an average Super campaign with a good ending.
Saying he was better than Sotutu is just bollocks. If we're looking at Super campaigns then MMT probably had the best form over the season.
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
Gace - Fair Skinned Maori Jesus.
isn;t that already claimed by goodhue?
I don 't think he fits that criteria.
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15Provided those three can all get on the park at once next it really doesn’t matter who the other 12 are, the cup is as good as ours.
Rough on the three blokes who’ve all had brothers play for the ABs but the fern reputation can’t be wrong in this case.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
His Dad played against Richard Metcalfe who was 7 foot.
Thank the lord it was only Scotland.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
His Dad played against Richard Metcalfe who was 7 foot.
Thank the lord it was only Scotland.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
His Dad played against Richard Metcalfe who was 7 foot.
Thank the lord it was only Scotland.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
You still won't have then when you mention Akira, unless a gentle push counts.
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Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon last played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
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Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon last played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
I see what you did there
I reckon Akira starts against Japan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
You still won't have then when you mention Akira, unless a gentle push counts.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
You still won't have then when you mention Akira, unless a gentle push counts.
We wouldn't want Ethan dislocating his shoulder! Gentle pushes shouldn't be allowed.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
You still won't have then when you mention Akira, unless a gentle push counts.
We wouldn't want Ethan dislocating his shoulder! Gentle pushes shouldn't be allowed.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn't be using Wiki for any reliable source of weights and heights. The official AB site would be a better source, although may not be entirely accurate either.
Same stats
But you're telling us Blackadder is much taller than his "official" stats.
That just makes it worse if true. Being a big flanker and playing like a small flanker isn't exactly an endearing factor.
Are we talking about Akira now.
Nah. Haven't gotten around to players that beat defenders yet...
You still won't have then when you mention Akira, unless a gentle push counts.
We wouldn't want Ethan dislocating his shoulder! Gentle pushes shouldn't be allowed.
Very True as we do not want Akira tripping over and hurting his foot again in the act of gentle pushing.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
I see what you did there
I reckon Akira starts against Japan.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
I see what you did there
I reckon Akira starts against Japan.
his name alone could "clearly" confuse them...
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Back on topic I would expect Frizell will likely get the 6 jersey against Japan - if for no one other reason than to give him some game time given Ta$man aren't in the playoffs - it will be nearly 2 months since Shannon played by the time the Japan test rolls around.
I see what you did there
I reckon Akira starts against Japan.
his name alone could "clearly" confuse them...
@nostrildamus Aumua has to be in the picture for the northen tour.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
We've got a lot of props that are taller than most of the AB loose forwards.
Taller. Longer legs. Longer stride. Faster.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby
This is a myth. Grace was off the pace early in Super Rugby and then got better with a few prominent games near the end of the season. Even in his big games in the finals he wasn't prefect and had a fairly high misses tackle count. He carried on his end of season good form for the Maori. But it's easy to see why he wasn't selected in the initial AB squad, he wasn't an incumbent from most of last season and had an average Super campaign with a good ending.
Saying he was better than Sotutu is just bollocks. If we're looking at Super campaigns then MMT probably had the best form over the season.
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
That Charlie Ngatai bloke getting injured was a real loss.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
That Charlie Ngatai bloke getting injured was a real loss.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Injuries seem to increase a players reputation by about 200% judging from what I read on the fern
That Charlie Ngatai bloke getting injured was a real loss.
Pragmatic bunch of fans on here. I don’t think it’s ever been mentioned.
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Edit: Just wondered if we need a page or collection point for contract details. Often a point of discussion and some posters keep track of this stuff. Maybe an AB one and one for each Super team? That way when a story like this comes along we could file the info instead of googling later on. Just an idea.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
We've got a lot of props that are taller than most of the AB loose forwards.
Taller. Longer legs. Longer stride. Faster.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
We've got a lot of props that are taller than most of the AB loose forwards.
Taller. Longer legs. Longer stride. Faster.
It's the weight though, the weight I tell you.
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If Ardie is big enough for 8, then so is Blackadder. Except neither of them are really.
Papalii is just a younger Cane. Big defensive heart, but not a lot extra.
If Sotutu, Savea and Blackadder all played 7 we would have some really interesting options there. Instead we are stuck with Savea at 8, a tackler at 7, and needing to pick a big limited 6 in Barrett or Frizz to try to balance the trio - and we are still going to get beaten up by the big packs. Admittedly the injury forced front row changes have helped a lot with the overall balance of the pack, and lessened that problem, maybe even enough to hide it until the WC when we have 3 big packs in a row to play. -
If Ardie is big enough for 8, then so is Blackadder. Except neither of them are really.
Papalii is just a younger Cane. Big defensive heart, but not a lot extra.
If Sotutu, Savea and Blackadder all played 7 we would have some really interesting options there. Instead we are stuck with Savea at 8, a tackler at 7, and needing to pick a big limited 6 in Barrett or Frizz to try to balance the trio - and we are still going to get beaten up by the big packs. Admittedly the injury forced front row changes have helped a lot with the overall balance of the pack, and lessened that problem, maybe even enough to hide it until the WC when we have 3 big packs in a row to play.@reprobate out of curiousity, do you think that these 'big packs' really are bigger? By much?
I haven't looked up size differences but my general feeling that it is more the direct style of play that has troubled us rather than size.
NZ teams don't tend to play forwards winding up in close and our systems aren't set for it. The momentum equation has the velocity as a factor on the same level as mass. I think velocity plays a big part in other teams gaining momentum against us which is why it annoys me that our own possible momentum weapons often go forward off a standing (or near standing) start.
