All Blacks 2023

[Chris]

Well thankfully Barrett did not get extra punishment that would not have been merited.
Imagine going in to the French game starting Vaii and having Who ? covering Lock on the bench,
A Prop or maybe one of the 5 wingers we have,as we only have 3 fit locks with Barrett and 4 fit LF's.
Another reason the Selection of this Squad was and is very flawed.

[Stargazer]

@mariner4life I'm not defending his act at all. I'm just saying the judicial decision is correct and I don't see any reason for being embarrassed by the correct judicial decision being taken.

He should be embarrassed for committing the act and he should improve and so should countless of other professional players who have or have not been yellow carded for it. This has been blown out of proportion, because it ended up in a red because of that first yellow card. If he hadn't had the first yellow card and hence the red, we wouldn't even be talking about this anymore.

[mariner4life]

@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

we wouldn't even be talking about this anymore.

you might not, for obvious reasons

but many of us would be looking at yet ANOTHER Scott Barrett card for foul play and wondering if a player really is capable of change.

[canefan]

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

Current rankings - assuming Oz don't beat France & not including minnows
Pool A (who play Pool B in QFs of Death!)
NZ 4th
France 3rd
Italy 13th

Pool B Pool of Death for good teams
SA 2nd
Ireland 1st
Scotland 5th
Tonga 15th

Pool C Real Pool of Death
Wales 10th
Aus 9th
Fiji 7th
Georgia 11th

Pool D
England 8th
Japan 14th
Argentina 6th
Samoa 12th

So it may be shit for teams ranked 1-5 that one can't make quarters and 3 can't make the semi. But they have ended up very tight pools, outside the real minnows

Pool of Death seems to me to me a slight misuse of the term when the highest ranked team in the pool is Fiji at 7...if you can't make it out of that pool, one might question your right to be in a QF...

Pool of flesh wound?

[voodoo]

@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

Current rankings - assuming Oz don't beat France & not including minnows
Pool A (who play Pool B in QFs of Death!)
NZ 4th
France 3rd
Italy 13th

Pool B Pool of Death for good teams
SA 2nd
Ireland 1st
Scotland 5th
Tonga 15th

Pool C Real Pool of Death
Wales 10th
Aus 9th
Fiji 7th
Georgia 11th

Pool D
England 8th
Japan 14th
Argentina 6th
Samoa 12th

So it may be shit for teams ranked 1-5 that one can't make quarters and 3 can't make the semi. But they have ended up very tight pools, outside the real minnows

Pool of Death seems to me to me a slight misuse of the term when the highest ranked team in the pool is Fiji at 7...if you can't make it out of that pool, one might question your right to be in a QF...

Pool of flesh wound?

I was thinking something more along the lines of:
"Pool of Plankton" or
"Massacre of the Minnows" ?

[MN5]

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

Current rankings - assuming Oz don't beat France & not including minnows
Pool A (who play Pool B in QFs of Death!)
NZ 4th
France 3rd
Italy 13th

Pool B Pool of Death for good teams
SA 2nd
Ireland 1st
Scotland 5th
Tonga 15th

Pool C Real Pool of Death
Wales 10th
Aus 9th
Fiji 7th
Georgia 11th

Pool D
England 8th
Japan 14th
Argentina 6th
Samoa 12th

So it may be shit for teams ranked 1-5 that one can't make quarters and 3 can't make the semi. But they have ended up very tight pools, outside the real minnows

Pool of Death seems to me to me a slight misuse of the term when the highest ranked team in the pool is Fiji at 7...if you can't make it out of that pool, one might question your right to be in a QF...

Pool of flesh wound?

I was thinking something more along the lines of:
"Pool of Plankton" or
"Massacre of the Minnows" ?

You have a beautiful way with words for someone from Palmy

[Machpants]

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

[MiketheSnow]

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

Excellent article

[Kiwiwomble]

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

im not a huge fan of not comparing equal numbers....why look at just 21/22 for France and Ireland but 2020 - 2022 for the AB's....but i think the point probably stands

[booboo]

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

@voodoo Top four teams in that pool are all ranked very closely, that's probably not a good pool of death. But it will be hard to call

Pool of Lost Time Injury?

[booboo]

@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

@Kiwiwomble Why would you feel embarrassed by something that didn't happen (head contact)?

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

@Kiwiwomble Why would you feel embarressed by something that didn't happen (head contact)?

because no matter how some try to sugar coat this

he dived pointed shoulder first at a player on the ground away from teh ball (it was in no way a "clean out") and it was good luck not good management that meant he missed the head. He still hit the base of the neck which is still dangerous and shitty.

These two points are not incompatible.

[antipodean]

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

Two words; absorbing tackle.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

[booboo]

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

So Ireland control World Rugby?

[Machpants]

@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

I think i this is very relevant

(Ireland) in their last 23 Tests, stretching back to June 2021, they have picked up just two yellow cards.

France, who throughout 2021 and 2022 were vying with Ireland for that top spot, were almost as well disciplined, being shown one yellow and one red over that period.

(ABs) Between 2020 and 2022 they played 35 Tests and were shown 16 yellows and three reds

https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/new-zealand-have-a-deeply-ingrained-knack-of-losing-their-discipline/

So Ireland control World Rugby?

Lotsa Guinness in Dublin

[chimoaus]

@Machpants I wonder how Australia ranks, I have a feeling they are as bad or worse than us. I don't have the stats but I assume teams that struggle get more cards due to defending more. Not sure.

[taniwharugby]

@chimoaus and wasnt there a period where we were happy to play without the ball pressuring with our defence and then using our counter attack, now our defence isnt the weapon it used to be, and our counter attack isnt either.

[Steven Harris]

@chimoaus there’s a very real probability the Wallabies given side of the draw that they are could go deeper than the All Blacks

[Machpants]

@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2023:

@Machpants I wonder how Australia ranks, I have a feeling they are as bad or worse than us. I don't have the stats but I assume teams that struggle get more cards due to defending more. Not sure.

As to cards I don't think they were worse than us, but similar. However they are also shit when NOT getting cards

[Tim]

So, who plays six against France, with Frizell injured? Barrett, Vaa'i, Jacobson, Papalii, or Cane?

Do we need a poll?

[pakman]

@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

So, who plays six against France, with Frizell injured? Barrett, Vaa'i, Jacobson, Papalii, or Cane?

Do we need a poll?

First two needed to cover lock. LJ wasn't effective against Boks, so Paps is last man standing?