RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
if we'd kept our head
A first five that didn't want to touch the ball really didn't help
It's ok now. He's never done that in a pressure game since then
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then
Rinse and repeat for the last 6-7 years.
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the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.In a way that is good, that we get that versus Italy, as we will need to be able to overcome that sort of game versus much better teams.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We were boys against men
No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.
That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.
At least then we had the ref to blame rather than our own (lack of) dry powder
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the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.@Chris guess it depends if in his mind we are meant to win or not...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.
It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.
The Whitelock penalty still burns
The Read Staring Eyes still haunt...
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.In a way that is good, that we get that versus Italy, as we will need to be able to overcome that sort of game versus much better teams.
Yeah it is, as no doubt the QF onwards are going to be all grinds.
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
@voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
A flat track bully
Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?
Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10
This week is easy
In the QF if the forwards play well it may still a draw between the packs, or we may get edged. Thats when having a mentally weak ten is a concern
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@nzzp the 'biggest' game of the cup so far didnt have any cards, so thats a plus.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.Well personally I would be starting with Taylor, I a ST fan , but we need a bloody solid set piece going forward, and hence Taylor probably gets the nod. Would make no difference anyway, we all got our players we like and lo and behold any coach or coaches who don't put our players on field.
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I have only just realised that Carley is the ref, and now I have an extra 2 hours to do something other than watch rugby on Saturday morning.
Sad that my lifelong love of rugby has diminished to that point.
@Snowy said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I have only just realised that Carley is the ref, and now I have an extra 2 hours to do something other than watch rugby on Saturday morning.
Sad that
mysomeone's lifelongspanlove of rugbyhas been diminishedtoby that point.Busy day for the basement.
But man that is sad, I can't believe you won't watch the abs cos of that. I want to see them play so well it doesn't matter
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I agree with the many posters hoping to see a more direct game.
Given Matt Carly is ref - the stars are aligned for the ABs to stumble , fall foul of the officials etc., ill-discipline will be costly - not just for this match .. I hope the ABs don't stumble over this banana peel of a game -
All I want is some simple disciplined rugby, play for territory, value and contest possessions, strong defense and put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)
@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)No, no,... let the ABs stay off the radar. Irish convinced they have an easy route to the final is good! Unfortunately, they may well have but hopefully the Irish team is listening to the outside noise.
A lot of the comments about players and coaches have an obvious provincial bias and are just getting boring.
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we let former Crusader Leon MacDonald lose us two World Cups, it seems tradition to let current Crusader Richie Mo'unga lose us two as well. I like patterns
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Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fŭcked from the get go.
No. It was the spark coverage. He pointed out that Mo'unga was targeted effectively by Eddie and that he was already going into his shell
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@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)No, no,... let the ABs stay off the radar. Irish convinced they have an easy route to the final is good! Unfortunately, they may well have but hopefully the Irish team is listening to the outside noise.
A lot of the comments about players and coaches have an obvious provincial bias and are just getting boring.
Yep We don't want to see the brainless weak dinky kicks from Barrett at the back pinning us inside our 22.
If teams had a game plan to kick to Barrett we will never get out side our half.
Long clearances and a direct approach is what I want to see.
