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All Blacks 2024

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  • Windows97W Windows97

    This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.

    It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

    They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.

    The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

    This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.

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    @Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

    This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.

    It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

    They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.

    The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

    This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.

    It's not just pressure though. At what really should have been 40-7 after the first half, the only pressure there should be is maintaining standards.

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    • Windows97W Windows97

      This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.

      It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

      They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.

      The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

      This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.

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      @Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

      The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

      Under McCaw, they were about excellence.

      After that, they were about experience.

      As that eroded, they were about BBBB*.

      Now that is on the downslide, what next?

      *Beauden Barrett Bullshit Bounces

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      • F frugby

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

        They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

        Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

        Metres per carry:

        5.5 Tosi
        3.6 Taylor
        1.9 Darry
        1.7 Tuipulotu
        1.6 Tu'ungafasi
        1.5 Vaa'i
        1.3 Williams
        1 Barrett
        1 Aumua
        0.7 Newell
        0.5 De Groot
        0.4 Lomax

        Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

        There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

        If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

        Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

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        @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

        one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

        I guess that's something though....our props would have to be running at a gap before that could happen...

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          ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

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          • D darylmitchell

            @Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.

            Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.

            I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.

            It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.

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            @darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.

            Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.

            I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.

            It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.

            He doesn't.

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            • gt12G gt12

              @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

              Fihaki is a bizarre selection, but then also not that outrageous on the basis he is there to cover Love as a fullback...

              B Barrett has been ill, Perofeta and Love already injured, Stevenson (meh) and off to league supposedly. Who has he edged out? Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens and Sullivan?

              I mean I'd have those two over him, but also not a huge deal. People just don't like what it represents (another Crusaders player) which is fair. If Fihaki didn't play for the Crusaders, I'm not sure his selection would be seen as a huge deal.

              I think it would.

              I'm quite a fan, but he has been terrible at times and rightfully shouldn't start in the Crusaders top team. How that gets him to the ABs ahead of, well, any other FB/wing from another Super side is a bit astounding.

              The coaches clearly don't care about their Crusaders bias, but it will be self-fulfilling if they scare off talent from every other team.

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              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:

              @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

              Fihaki is a bizarre selection, but then also not that outrageous on the basis he is there to cover Love as a fullback...

              B Barrett has been ill, Perofeta and Love already injured, Stevenson (meh) and off to league supposedly. Who has he edged out? Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens and Sullivan?

              I mean I'd have those two over him, but also not a huge deal. People just don't like what it represents (another Crusaders player) which is fair. If Fihaki didn't play for the Crusaders, I'm not sure his selection would be seen as a huge deal.

              I think it would.

              I'm quite a fan, but he has been terrible at times and rightfully shouldn't start in the Crusaders top team. How that gets him to the ABs ahead of, well, any other FB/wing from another Super side is a bit astounding.

              The coaches clearly don't care about their Crusaders bias, but it will be self-fulfilling if they scare off talent from every other team.

              So begs the question who would you have ahead? I would have JRK, but don't think this is as outrageous as people are making it out to be.

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              • BonesB Bones

                ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

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                @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                And he is injured.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

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                  @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                  ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                  Perhaps three times the player he is? Maybe even four?

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                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                    ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                    Perhaps three times the player he is? Maybe even four?

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                    @Frank said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                    ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                    Perhaps three times the player he is? Maybe even four?

                    I'd settle for 3.7.

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                    • F frugby

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                      ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                      And he is injured.

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                      @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                      ENS is at least twice the player Fihaki is.

                      And he is injured.

                      Even if he wasn't, he doesn't play for the crusaders so not in immediate consideration

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                      • F frugby

                        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                        Fihaki is a bizarre selection, but then also not that outrageous on the basis he is there to cover Love as a fullback...

                        B Barrett has been ill, Perofeta and Love already injured, Stevenson (meh) and off to league supposedly. Who has he edged out? Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens and Sullivan?

                        I mean I'd have those two over him, but also not a huge deal. People just don't like what it represents (another Crusaders player) which is fair. If Fihaki didn't play for the Crusaders, I'm not sure his selection would be seen as a huge deal.

                        I think it would.

                        I'm quite a fan, but he has been terrible at times and rightfully shouldn't start in the Crusaders top team. How that gets him to the ABs ahead of, well, any other FB/wing from another Super side is a bit astounding.

                        The coaches clearly don't care about their Crusaders bias, but it will be self-fulfilling if they scare off talent from every other team.

                        So begs the question who would you have ahead? I would have JRK, but don't think this is as outrageous as people are making it out to be.

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                        @frugby

                        At Fullback/wing?

                        -Narawa given the FB cover in the squad (Havili)

                        • Sullivan is the future and has played better at Super level.
                        • ENS has the left boot we need and is a wing/FB
                        • Stevenson could get a chance and show quality

                        In the midfield I can’t be bothered typing all the names.

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                          I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

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                          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                            I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

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                            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                              I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

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                              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                              I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

                              Exactly! Why not pick any of the players who are actually better? Sure Fihaki had some good games, but he also had some shockers and didn't even play in the finals. It's not like he's experienced cover or screaming pick me. Something is very wrong.

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                                We need to know who they are covering for. It can't be JB, and Love was injured before they went to Sydney, so why replace him now?

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                                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                  We need to know who they are covering for. It can't be JB, and Love was injured before they went to Sydney, so why replace him now?

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                                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  It can't be JB

                                  Beauden?

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                                  • BonesB Bones

                                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

                                    Exactly! Why not pick any of the players who are actually better? Sure Fihaki had some good games, but he also had some shockers and didn't even play in the finals. It's not like he's experienced cover or screaming pick me. Something is very wrong.

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                                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

                                    Exactly! Why not pick any of the players who are actually better? Sure Fihaki had some good games, but he also had some shockers and didn't even play in the finals. It's not like he's experienced cover or screaming pick me. Something is very wrong.

                                    Yeah I don't understand it. Maybe I am getting brainwashed from reading the fern too much, but I am starting to wonder.

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                                    • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

                                      Exactly! Why not pick any of the players who are actually better? Sure Fihaki had some good games, but he also had some shockers and didn't even play in the finals. It's not like he's experienced cover or screaming pick me. Something is very wrong.

                                      Yeah I don't understand it. Maybe I am getting brainwashed from reading the fern too much, but I am starting to wonder.

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                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      I am not a fan of Fihaki by any stretch, I don't like in in the Saders and can tolerate him at NPC level for Canterbury but as was mentioned above, who else is there? @Bones said ENS is injured, Kneepkins has speed but not much else going for him. That leaves Gilbert (hell no) amd Sullivan. I would have picked Sullivan.

                                      Exactly! Why not pick any of the players who are actually better? Sure Fihaki had some good games, but he also had some shockers and didn't even play in the finals. It's not like he's experienced cover or screaming pick me. Something is very wrong.

                                      Yeah I don't understand it. Maybe I am getting brainwashed from reading the fern too much, but I am starting to wonder.

                                      Australians are usually just like Aucklanders right? You'll be supporting the blues next.

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                                      • D darylmitchell

                                        @Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.

                                        Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.

                                        I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.

                                        It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.

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                                        @darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.

                                        Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.

                                        I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.

                                        It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.

                                        You’re drunk. He doesn’t play 12. He predominantly plays winger because he has never been able to nail down the 15 jersey, he’s even been kicked to the wing for Canterbury this year. Interested to hear your take on that one… You’re only kidding yourself by trying to justify him being pulled into the squad when there are multiple better players out there than him mate. End of.

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                                          So Wayne Smith has joined the squad in Wellington, panic stations maybe setting in for Razor and crew

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