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  • BonesB Bones

    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

    an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.

    That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.

    Just ask my uncle Maxwell.

    Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.

    I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

    an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.

    That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.

    Just ask my uncle Maxwell.

    Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.

    I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.

    my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .

    Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances

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      Machpants
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      #657

      Yeah, born kiwi, English mum, Scottish on dad's side, Irish on step dad (since I was little). Lived in, and fought for, UK so I would be proud to rep any of them, even Wales (don't qualify but loved living in Cardiff 😂)

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      • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

        @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

        an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.

        That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.

        Just ask my uncle Maxwell.

        Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.

        I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.

        my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .

        Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances

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        @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

        an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.

        That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.

        Just ask my uncle Maxwell.

        Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.

        I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.

        my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .

        Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances

        Did Hos support England in rugby? Did he dream of playing for England? I don't know. I bet your son dreams of being an AB.

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          I dreamed of being an astronaut, but I didn't turn down flying fighter jets as a second option!

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            It's a funny thing to contemplate. I don't have parents from disparate countries and without the reasonable prospect of ever playing for the All Blacks I can't as a Kiwi comprehend playing Test rugby for another country. Not that I'm aware of any chance that option would have materialised outside of (checks rankings) Greece, Monaco or Norway.

            But I have represented Australia both through Defence and Parly without a second thought.

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              As someone mentioned above, the life of a pro rugby is/can be very short. And playing international rugby greatly increases your earning potential.

              I've never had to make the decision, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who makes the move, for ancestry or financial reasons.

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              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

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                Bones
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                #662

                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                  Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                  Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                  Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                  Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                  Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

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                  Crazy Horse
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                  #663

                  @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                  Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                  Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                  Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                  Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                  Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

                  Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.

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                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                    Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                    Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                    Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                    Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                    Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

                    Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.

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                    Bones
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                    #664

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                    Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                    Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                    Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                    Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                    Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

                    Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.

                    Same, I'd probably be a bit on the fence if they were still coveted by their country of birth, but would be right behind them if they were treated as Sotutu appears to have been treated.

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                    • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                      @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      @frugby

                      Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                      He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                      Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                      Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

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                      MN5
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                      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      @frugby

                      Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                      He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                      Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                      Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                      Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                      The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

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                      • MN5M MN5

                        @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @frugby

                        Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                        He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                        Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                        Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                        Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                        The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

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                        Bones
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                        #666

                        @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @frugby

                        Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                        He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                        Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                        Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                        Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                        The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                        He's no Morne van der Merwe.

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                        • gt12G gt12

                          @Bones

                          Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                          My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

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                          African Monkey
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                          @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          @Bones

                          Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                          My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                          I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                          I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

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                          • BonesB Bones

                            @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @frugby

                            Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                            He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                            Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                            Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                            Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                            The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                            He's no Morne van der Merwe.

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                            MN5
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                            #668

                            @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @frugby

                            Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                            He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                            Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                            Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                            Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                            The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                            He's no Morne van der Merwe.

                            Duhan, not Morne you pillock

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                            • MN5M MN5

                              @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @frugby

                              Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                              He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                              Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                              Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                              Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                              The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                              He's no Morne van der Merwe.

                              Duhan, not Morne you pillock

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                              Bones
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                              @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @frugby

                              Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                              He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                              Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                              Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                              Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                              The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                              He's no Morne van der Merwe.

                              Duhan, not Morne you pillock

                              And I thought you were a Wellington rugby supporter.

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                              • BonesB Bones

                                @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @frugby

                                Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                                He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                                Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                                Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                                Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                                The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                                He's no Morne van der Merwe.

                                Duhan, not Morne you pillock

                                And I thought you were a Wellington rugby supporter.

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                                MN5
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                                @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                @frugby

                                Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                                He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                                Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                                Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                                Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.

                                The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous

                                He's no Morne van der Merwe.

                                Duhan, not Morne you pillock

                                And I thought you were a Wellington rugby supporter.

                                Um yeah most of them could walk past me on the street and I’d have no clue.

                                I’m no @Canes4life

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                                • A African Monkey

                                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Bones

                                  Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                  My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                  I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                  I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

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                                  @African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Bones

                                  Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                  My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                  I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                  I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

                                  You'd hardly expect Anscombe, or anyone else in that situation, to say anything different though.

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                                  • A African Monkey

                                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @Bones

                                    Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                    My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                    I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                    I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

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                                    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @Bones

                                    Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                    My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                    I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                    I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

                                    Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures

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                                      @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

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                                      Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                                      He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                                      Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                                      Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

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                                      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @frugby

                                      Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.

                                      He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.

                                      Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.

                                      Yip when I think of generational loose forward try-creating talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.

                                      Two were backs, one didn't create the tries directly himself, too busy being a GOAT.

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                                        @African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @Bones

                                        Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                        My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                        I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                        I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

                                        Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures

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                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @Bones

                                        Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.

                                        My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.

                                        I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.

                                        I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.

                                        Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures

                                        I knew as soon as I saw you pop up, something along these lines would be written haha.

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                                          @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.

                                          Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.

                                          Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.

                                          Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation

                                          Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.

                                          Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?

                                          Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.

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                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.

                                          Heh. For me, the more the number of kids, the more likely I'd have less principles.

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