All Blacks vs England 2

[ACT Crusader]

@gt12 bring it on I say. Not the injury but him getting his opportunity. Two ways it could go in my view - he could be the next Kevin Senio or the next Jimmy Cowan.

I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys. One was a 50 test AB and the other played 3 or 4 minutes at the end of a Bledisloe match and that’s it.

[Kiwiwomble]

like with Perofeta in the first test...surprised to see him there (if hotham did make the squad).....but i hope he smashes it, would do may heart some good to come out of this series with a couple of options

[Chester Draws]

@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Two injuries away from Bell and Hotham being in the 23, I'd like better options. Sue me

I am not arguing that Bell and Hotham should be picked.

My disagreement is calling them "journeymen" and then advocating guys who at 29 and 24 are the embodiment of guys who have worked hard and risen quite a long way, but are never going to be long term prospects for the ABs, over young guys who may well be.

[Chester Draws]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

The 2024 Crusaders pack!??Consistently?!?

Jeepers. The Cantabs made less fuss about how good their team was after seven years. You guys are going to be unbearable if you win any more championships.

We get that your new coach is very good, and has a better game plan than the others. That doesn't suddenly mean all your players are superstars.

[KiwiMurph]

Something to truly make DMac smile when kicking at goal

https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1810532826330353958

[Kiwiwomble]

@KiwiMurph probably be cheaper and less trouble for the players to listen to the ref

[Bones]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:

I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys

When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.

[Duluth]

I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time

The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting

Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one

Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"

[KiwiMurph]

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph probably be cheaper and less trouble for the players to listen to the ref

Yeah nah.

This isn't the 1980s. They have massive screens these days. DMac has enough to worry about in his routine he should be able to have a visual cue rather than trying to guess in his head after getting an audible cue from a ref (be it 20 seconds or 10 seconds or whatever).

They have screens with countdowns in
MLB for pitchers and hitters, for Tennis and serving etc

Need to get with the times.

[Kiwiwomble]

personally i would think it would be less distracting to kick it as quick as possibly after a 10 second warning than look up at a screen (arent always behind the posts) to check how much time you have, then re target etc....to each their own

[Bones]

@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.

[Kiwiwomble]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.

pretty sure they do already, i believe the ref told him at 20 and 10 seconds, hell, they do in club rugby

[KiwiMurph]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.

Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.

It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.

I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.

Quote from DMac

But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer.

"I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said.

"I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea.

"My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."

[Bones]

@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?

[KiwiMurph]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?

The ref is already aligned to the stadium. The ref nowadays waits for the hooter to go before blowing half time and full time. The ref waits for the 10 second countdown on the big screen before kicking off etc.

[Duluth]

Just not a fan of players ready to approach the ball standing still for ages to burn time. Time wasting in rugby is bad. I don’t want to make it easier

[Kiwiwomble]

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.

Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.

It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.

I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.

Quote from DMac

But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer.

"I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said.

"I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea.

"My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."

im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings

[Bones]

@KiwiMurph yeah much like everyone else I'm not that fussed, it just seems like a silly extra. We gonna put a 5 second clear clock up now too when the ball becomes available at the breakdown?

[KiwiMurph]

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.

Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.

It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.

I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.

Quote from DMac

But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer.

"I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said.

"I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea.

"My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."

im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings

I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.

I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.

[darylmitchell]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:

I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys

When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.

well both are Maori