All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
This team is stronger than the AB side v SA.
Holland is a ball supply unit, Roigard's defensive kicking ability, PT in good form and Clarke's aerial skills.
Good to see Carter retained on the wing.The Holland hype train has got to stop. He’s let in two tries in a row with lazy ruck defence
Jimmy how do you think Holland went today?
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
This team is stronger than the AB side v SA.
Holland is a ball supply unit, Roigard's defensive kicking ability, PT in good form and Clarke's aerial skills.
Good to see Carter retained on the wing.The Holland hype train has got to stop. He’s let in two tries in a row with lazy ruck defence
Jimmy how do you think Holland went today?
Poor, exactly the same issues with ruck defence. One lead to a line break, another to a try
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Razor’s painted himself into a corner with selections. He can’t afford to lose any games, but he also can’t afford to bench his supposed ‘marquee’ players and blood new combinations. He’s done well in the past by building his teams from scratch, however at this level I think the technical detail is a bit beyond him/his team. Unfortunate position to find out you’re not wearing any clothes.
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
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Is it time to consider Papali'i? I know he's considered as a bit bland in his play, but at least he'll get through work on the defensive side, and it'll help out the rest of the pack who have to do a lot of work to cover for Ardie and Sititi out there.
Ardie and Sititi together is just not working currently as both are fairly similar in the way they play, with Ardie being quicker on the jackle.
- Parker
- Papali'i
- Savea.
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A few thoughts:
Lineout just looks so much better with Holland there. Don't have to do complicated shit that we fuck up, just throw it to the big fella. That's worth a fair bit - and even more if Taylor is ever not playing, because his lineout throwing is far better than our other options, who do have their own strengths.
I don't even know what we should do with our loosies anymore. Other teams have a Wilson, Matera, Wiese. We don't have a brutal ball runner. Sititi is a shadow of last year. Savea is average between a couple of highlights. We aren't playing a worker either - I think that's why we look better when Holland and Newell are on the field, because they pick up some of that slack.
With McKenzie playing, immediately our backs were running onto the ball. Night and day.
Roigard obviously makes a big difference.
The high kicks are a lottery. Have a lucky day with a couple and some dubious ref decisions and cracks are papered over. At least our kicking was a bit more accurate and our chase a bit more organised this week.
Our try-line defence used to be really good. Now it is shit. Aussies clearly thinking about theirs and holding us up, good smart play.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
A few thoughts:
Lineout just looks so much better with Holland there. Don't have to do complicated shit that we fuck up, just throw it to the big fella. That's worth a fair bit - and even more if Taylor is ever not playing, because his lineout throwing is far better than our other options, who do have their own strengths.
I don't even know what we should do with our loosies anymore. Other teams have a Wilson, Matera, Wiese. We don't have a brutal ball runner. Sititi is a shadow of last year. Savea is average between a couple of highlights. We aren't playing a worker either - I think that's why we look better when Holland and Newell are on the field, because they pick up some of that slack.
With McKenzie playing, immediately our backs were running onto the ball. Night and day.
Roigard obviously makes a big difference.
The high kicks are a lottery. Have a lucky day with a couple and some dubious ref decisions and cracks are papered over. At least our kicking was a bit more accurate and our chase a bit more organised this week.
Our try-line defence used to be really good. Now it is shit. Aussies clearly thinking about theirs and holding us up, good smart play.Looked so much better with McKenzie. BB can’t help himself - penalty advantage, front foot running ball inside the 22 and he cross kicks. FFS.
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Proctor should be dropped.
But he might be saved by the lack of a clear alternative.
Rieko is in horrible form.@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor should be dropped.
But he might be saved by the lack of a clear alternative.
Rieko is in horrible form.I still don’t get why they are using Proctor the way they are. He spends most of his time as a dummy runner or cleaning rucks which should be the job of the loosies. I get that we crash the ball a lot on first phase and more often Proctor is the first man there but surely a 13 shouldn’t be cleaning 20+ rucks a game, it’s just ridiculous. He probably had four touches on attack and a couple carries which were solid but using him as a fourth loosie is just odd and something he doesn’t look comfortable doing.
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A few thoughts:
Lineout just looks so much better with Holland there. Don't have to do complicated shit that we fuck up, just throw it to the big fella. That's worth a fair bit - and even more if Taylor is ever not playing, because his lineout throwing is far better than our other options, who do have their own strengths.
I don't even know what we should do with our loosies anymore. Other teams have a Wilson, Matera, Wiese. We don't have a brutal ball runner. Sititi is a shadow of last year. Savea is average between a couple of highlights. We aren't playing a worker either - I think that's why we look better when Holland and Newell are on the field, because they pick up some of that slack.
With McKenzie playing, immediately our backs were running onto the ball. Night and day.
Roigard obviously makes a big difference.
The high kicks are a lottery. Have a lucky day with a couple and some dubious ref decisions and cracks are papered over. At least our kicking was a bit more accurate and our chase a bit more organised this week.
Our try-line defence used to be really good. Now it is shit. Aussies clearly thinking about theirs and holding us up, good smart play.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
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Is it time to consider Papali'i? I know he's considered as a bit bland in his play, but at least he'll get through work on the defensive side, and it'll help out the rest of the pack who have to do a lot of work to cover for Ardie and Sititi out there.
Ardie and Sititi together is just not working currently as both are fairly similar in the way they play, with Ardie being quicker on the jackle.
- Parker
- Papali'i
- Savea.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
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@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
Spot on. They gave Razor complete control. Another mistake from Robinson led NZRFU.
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Beauden gun player in his prime but no one beats father time and it's a good opportunity to give Love and bring in Jacomb or Reihana into the squad a chance to play at 10. Obviously DMac will start next week but these blokes need to be tested at international level playing 10 at some point.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canerbry Jordie can stay, but yeah I agree Scott and Beauden need to be thanked and wished all the best in their future as former All Blacks.
I wouldn’t mind Ardie as captain, he seems to win a lot more than Scott.
The blessed life of the Barretts only gets disrupted by injury.
As you say, this isn't something you wish on any player but if the ABs go to Perth and Jordie is the last one there doesn't the team just look better overall ?
Beauden and Scott have done some terrific things in Black but when was the last time either of them did ? It's time to move on from them.
I have a feeling Scott has been playing injured. But if he has, that is a black mark against the coaches.
You reckon ? or has he just hit the wall ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
You reckon ? or has he just hit the wall ?
As others said, 31, for a forward is not that old.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Is it time to consider Papali'i?
Hell, yes! And welcome to the club!
Something needs to happen as the balance in the loose trio is all over the place and our work around the ruck is horrible. Having him there will at least have someone who will focus specifically on that area.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders. Unfortunately he’s just always injured, if he can go for a long period without getting injured, he’s someone that’s definitely got a similar frame and skillset and could flourish on at test level. Needs to improve his physicality though.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Disagree mate, early Read would catch a kick and just put the hammer down straight into contact as hard as he could - very Wilson like, although not as solid a frame for sure. We need someone like that.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I'm not the biggest Darry fan but the ABs could definitely use him in the squad. The starting duo of Vaai and Holland just doesn't have enough bulk and starch.
Wouldn't discard Scott Barrett as a player - just as a captain
Another example of a worrying selection in our forward pack - just like persisting with Sititi at 8 this season when clearly he needs a reset/spell out of the team and to come back.
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
I didn't see his tackle count but I'm guessing it is one of the higher ones.
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@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader It was an error to appoint an All Blacks Head Coach without significant international coaching experience. Future All Blacks Test coaches must have coached at Test level before being considered for the big job.
I think the best answer given where we are now is to keep Robertson, but to have a clear out the assistants as soon as possible apart from Jason Ryan and to search the globe for the best coaches who are willing to work with this All Blacks team for the money NZR have available. These coaches aren't good enough.
How will NZ coaches get international opportunities in future when they aren’t seen to be at the forefront of innovation anymore?
I think we will see more South Africans in overseas coaching jobs in the coming years, precisely because they are seen to be leading the game.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Disagree mate, early Read would catch a kick and just put the hammer down straight into contact as hard as he could - very Wilson like, although not as solid a frame for sure. We need someone like that.
@reprobate early Read wasn't peak Read
But that's kinda my point, how long ago was that? We just dont run it straight, always slowing into contact or stepping to give that dumb off load to someone in a worse spot.
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@Chuck72 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@kpkanz we scored 3 with him, so why not?
There are deeper underlying issues being discussed than just 'how many points were scored with this player on the field'.
If you suggest we keep Beauden at 10, don't complain when we look completely toothless on attack, static, and have any player from 12 onwards getting the ball and defender at the same time.
