Exodus
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Plummer leaving because he most likely can’t see a path into the 2027 World Cup(barring injury) with if/when Richie Mounga is back in 2026. Don’t blame the guy, he’s got his AB cap so might as well cash in.
It’s a real shame imo, this could have been handled so much better. Player management is leaving a lot to be desired, not just in the AB’s, but NZR in general. A very promising 10/12 leaving at the age of 26 coming into his peak, brutal.
It's a shame because I believe our attack would benefit from a 10 who runs more direct.
Dmac and BB love to run sideways - or in Beauden's case jog sideways.
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Moses Leo joining the Melbourne Storm a year earlier than anticipated. Will link up with them late this month.
@Landers92 heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
Would have developed into a superb centre in the XVs game
His top end pace would be better than many
For me this is a genuine loss given the shortage of midfield backs in NZ -
Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.
Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan
and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level
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Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.
Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan
and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level
@Kiwiwomble said in Exodus:
Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.
Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan
and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level
He was no DC. But neither is anyone else. If they overpay him to get him home, I don't like the message it sends. DMac might have just turned a corner in Dublin only for Razor to bench him for sub prime BB. Meanwhile there are young and up and coming guys in lots of positions that could do with more money to incentivise them to stay longer, and guys like Plummer who decide it's time to leave when they are still in their prime
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@Landers92 heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
Would have developed into a superb centre in the XVs game
His top end pace would be better than many
For me this is a genuine loss given the shortage of midfield backs in NZ@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
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of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry
@Kiwiwomble said in Exodus:
of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry
Totally agree. The person we should be most worried about is Razor
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@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
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@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k
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that is a remarkably pedestrian list.
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@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
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I don't think they were added as they went to Samoa and Tonga at international level. These lists are more six nations teams.
20 to 11
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533600/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-part-one
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@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k
@mariner4life said in Exodus:
@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k
Surely the lack of money on offer in rugby at the emerging level compared to that offered by NRL teams is a problem? It is draining away players who could be NPC/SR or potential late bloomers who might otherwise be potential future ABs
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@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
