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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    Kiwiwomble
    wrote on last edited by
    #2575

    of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

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    • S Steven Harris

      @Landers92 heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
      Would have developed into a superb centre in the XVs game
      His top end pace would be better than many
      For me this is a genuine loss given the shortage of midfield backs in NZ

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      Bovidae
      wrote on last edited by Bovidae
      #2576

      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

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      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

        of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

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        canefan
        wrote on last edited by
        #2577

        @Kiwiwomble said in Exodus:

        of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

        Totally agree. The person we should be most worried about is Razor

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

          heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

          A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

          Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

          boobooB Offline
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          booboo
          wrote on last edited by
          #2578

          @Bovidae said in Exodus:

          @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

          heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

          A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

          Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

          $75K? No wonder he's off

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          • boobooB booboo

            @Bovidae said in Exodus:

            @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

            heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

            A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

            Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

            $75K? No wonder he's off

            mariner4lifeM Offline
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            mariner4life
            wrote on last edited by
            #2579

            @booboo said in Exodus:

            @Bovidae said in Exodus:

            @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

            heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

            A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

            Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

            $75K? No wonder he's off

            even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

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            • mikedogzM Offline
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              mikedogz
              wrote on last edited by
              #2580

              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

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              • mariner4lifeM Offline
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                mariner4life
                wrote on last edited by
                #2581

                that is a remarkably pedestrian list.

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                • mikedogzM mikedogz

                  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

                  Chris B.C Offline
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                  Chris B.
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2582

                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                  Bundee was one who got away.

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                  • mikedogzM Offline
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                    mikedogz
                    wrote on last edited by mikedogz
                    #2583

                    I don't think they were added as they went to Samoa and Tonga at international level. These lists are more six nations teams.

                    20 to 11

                    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533600/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-part-one

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                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                      @booboo said in Exodus:

                      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                      $75K? No wonder he's off

                      even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

                      canefanC Offline
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                      canefan
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2584

                      @mariner4life said in Exodus:

                      @booboo said in Exodus:

                      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                      $75K? No wonder he's off

                      even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

                      Surely the lack of money on offer in rugby at the emerging level compared to that offered by NRL teams is a problem? It is draining away players who could be NPC/SR or potential late bloomers who might otherwise be potential future ABs

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                      • Chris B.C Chris B.

                        @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                        They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                        Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                        Bundee was one who got away.

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                        canefan
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2585

                        @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                        @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                        They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                        Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                        Bundee was one who got away.

                        Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                        • TimT Offline
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                          Tim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2586

                          Riccitelli to Montpellier according to Rugby Direct.

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                          • canefanC canefan

                            @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                            @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                            They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                            Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                            Bundee was one who got away.

                            Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                            Nevorian
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2587

                            @canefan said in Exodus:

                            @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                            @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                            They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                            Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                            Bundee was one who got away.

                            Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                            And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                            • N Nevorian

                              @canefan said in Exodus:

                              @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                              @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                              They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                              Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                              Bundee was one who got away.

                              Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                              And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                              Tim
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2588

                              @Nevorian Should have been our starting 10 at the 2007 World Cup.

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                              • N Nevorian

                                @canefan said in Exodus:

                                @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                Bundee was one who got away.

                                Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                                canefan
                                wrote on last edited by canefan
                                #2589

                                @Nevorian said in Exodus:

                                @canefan said in Exodus:

                                @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                Bundee was one who got away.

                                Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

                                Peak Evans would walk into the squad now

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                                • N Nevorian

                                  @canefan said in Exodus:

                                  @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                  Bundee was one who got away.

                                  Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                  And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                                  nostrildamus
                                  wrote on last edited by nostrildamus
                                  #2590

                                  @Nevorian said in Exodus:

                                  Who wouldn't have been in DC's shadow?

                                  I understand Evans was highly rated in Europe so
                                  "slightly more talented than a journeyman" seems a little harsh.

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                                    SBW1
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2591

                                    What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

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                                      What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

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                                      nostrildamus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2592

                                      @SBW1 said in Exodus:

                                      What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

                                      at least Shields seemed to have maintained a consistent level of ball-handling skills.

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                                        Billy Tell
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2593

                                        Rua Tipoki and Doug Howlett (Munster). Brad Thorn and Isa Nacewa (Leinster).

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                                          SBW1
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2594

                                          What would be interesting is an updated list on overseas based players, who hypothetically could play for the Abs if the rules changed.

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