Exodus
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@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
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I don't think they were added as they went to Samoa and Tonga at international level. These lists are more six nations teams.
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533600/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-part-one
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@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k
@mariner4life said in Exodus:
@Steven-Harris said in Exodus:
heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.
Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.
$75K? No wonder he's off
even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k
Surely the lack of money on offer in rugby at the emerging level compared to that offered by NRL teams is a problem? It is draining away players who could be NPC/SR or potential late bloomers who might otherwise be potential future ABs
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@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
Peak Evans would walk into the squad now
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@Chris-B said in Exodus:
@mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.
They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.
Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.
Bundee was one who got away.
Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK
And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow
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What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.
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What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.
What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.
at least Shields seemed to have maintained a consistent level of ball-handling skills.
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Rua Tipoki and Doug Howlett (Munster). Brad Thorn and Isa Nacewa (Leinster).
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Off the top of my head, only including past All Blacks...
PR - Laulala, Tu'inukuafe
HK - N/A
LK - Hemopo, Retallick
LF - Frizell, Ioane, Cane, Sowakula, Whitelock
HB - Smith, Perenara, Weber, Kerr-Barlow
FH - Mo'unga
CT - Laumape, Goodhue, Saili, Ngatai
OB - Bridge, Fainga'anukuThere's maybe five or six guys there that would definitely shore up the current squad but only a few who'd be in contention for starting - Smith, Mo'unga, Laumape, Fainga'anuku?
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Howlett, Piutau, Luatua, Vito, Thorn, Retallick, Ioane, Evans, Nacewa, Fainga'anuku all good players
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Has Ngani signed to play in Japan, thought he was considering coming back to New Zealand next year?
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Off the top of my head, only including past All Blacks...
PR - Laulala, Tu'inukuafe
HK - N/A
LK - Hemopo, Retallick
LF - Frizell, Ioane, Cane, Sowakula, Whitelock
HB - Smith, Perenara, Weber, Kerr-Barlow
FH - Mo'unga
CT - Laumape, Goodhue, Saili, Ngatai
OB - Bridge, Fainga'anukuThere's maybe five or six guys there that would definitely shore up the current squad but only a few who'd be in contention for starting - Smith, Mo'unga, Laumape, Fainga'anuku?
Off the top of my head, only including past All Blacks...
PR - Laulala, Tu'inukuafe
HK - N/A
LK - Hemopo, Retallick
LF - Frizell, Ioane, Cane, Sowakula, Whitelock
HB - Smith, Perenara, Weber, Kerr-Barlow
FH - Mo'unga
CT - Laumape, Goodhue, Saili, Ngatai
OB - Bridge, Fainga'anukuThere's maybe five or six guys there that would definitely shore up the current squad but only a few who'd be in contention for starting - Smith, Mo'unga, Laumape, Fainga'anuku?
I don't think there's any point including guys like Smith. If not playing the NH he'd likely be retired.
Same with including a guy like Ioane in these lists, the current coaches will never pick him.
Also, is the Whitelock in your loose forwards Luke? Lucky lucky lucky Luke?
The hypotheticals need to be realistic ...
