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  • BovidaeB Bovidae

    @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

    heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

    A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

    Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

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    booboo
    wrote on last edited by
    #2578

    @Bovidae said in Exodus:

    @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

    heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

    A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

    Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

    $75K? No wonder he's off

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    • boobooB booboo

      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

      $75K? No wonder he's off

      mariner4lifeM Online
      mariner4lifeM Online
      mariner4life
      wrote on last edited by
      #2579

      @booboo said in Exodus:

      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

      $75K? No wonder he's off

      even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

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      • mikedogzM Online
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        mikedogz
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        #2580

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

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        • mariner4lifeM Online
          mariner4lifeM Online
          mariner4life
          wrote on last edited by
          #2581

          that is a remarkably pedestrian list.

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          • mikedogzM mikedogz

            https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

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            Chris B.
            wrote on last edited by
            #2582

            @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

            They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

            Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

            Bundee was one who got away.

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            • mikedogzM Online
              mikedogzM Online
              mikedogz
              wrote on last edited by mikedogz
              #2583

              I don't think they were added as they went to Samoa and Tonga at international level. These lists are more six nations teams.

              20 to 11

              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533600/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-part-one

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @booboo said in Exodus:

                @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                $75K? No wonder he's off

                even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

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                canefan
                wrote on last edited by
                #2584

                @mariner4life said in Exodus:

                @booboo said in Exodus:

                @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                $75K? No wonder he's off

                even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

                Surely the lack of money on offer in rugby at the emerging level compared to that offered by NRL teams is a problem? It is draining away players who could be NPC/SR or potential late bloomers who might otherwise be potential future ABs

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                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                  Bundee was one who got away.

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                  canefan
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2585

                  @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                  Bundee was one who got away.

                  Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                  • TimT Away
                    TimT Away
                    Tim
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                    #2586

                    Riccitelli to Montpellier according to Rugby Direct.

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                    • canefanC canefan

                      @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                      @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                      They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                      Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                      Bundee was one who got away.

                      Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                      Nevorian
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                      #2587

                      @canefan said in Exodus:

                      @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                      @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                      They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                      Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                      Bundee was one who got away.

                      Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                      And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                      • N Nevorian

                        @canefan said in Exodus:

                        @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                        @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                        They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                        Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                        Bundee was one who got away.

                        Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                        And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

                        TimT Away
                        TimT Away
                        Tim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2588

                        @Nevorian Should have been our starting 10 at the 2007 World Cup.

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                        • N Nevorian

                          @canefan said in Exodus:

                          @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                          @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                          They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                          Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                          Bundee was one who got away.

                          Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                          And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                          canefan
                          wrote on last edited by canefan
                          #2589

                          @Nevorian said in Exodus:

                          @canefan said in Exodus:

                          @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                          @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                          They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                          Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                          Bundee was one who got away.

                          Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                          And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

                          Peak Evans would walk into the squad now

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                          • N Nevorian

                            @canefan said in Exodus:

                            @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                            @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                            They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                            Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                            Bundee was one who got away.

                            Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                            And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                            nostrildamus
                            wrote on last edited by nostrildamus
                            #2590

                            @Nevorian said in Exodus:

                            Who wouldn't have been in DC's shadow?

                            I understand Evans was highly rated in Europe so
                            "slightly more talented than a journeyman" seems a little harsh.

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                              SBW1
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2591

                              What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

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                              • S SBW1

                                What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

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                                nostrildamus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2592

                                @SBW1 said in Exodus:

                                What about the present crop, because there are a tonne of guys who have gone over in the last few years, Jack Goodhue, Lam many names not on that list. An interesting thing is a couple of Kiwis who went over to rep for England like Will Heinze and Brad Shields have returned home at or near the end of their careers, wonder if we see a few more doing that.

                                at least Shields seemed to have maintained a consistent level of ball-handling skills.

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                                  Billy Tell
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2593

                                  Rua Tipoki and Doug Howlett (Munster). Brad Thorn and Isa Nacewa (Leinster).

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                                    SBW1
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2594

                                    What would be interesting is an updated list on overseas based players, who hypothetically could play for the Abs if the rules changed.

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                                      Mr Fish
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2595

                                      Off the top of my head, only including past All Blacks...

                                      PR - Laulala, Tu'inukuafe
                                      HK - N/A
                                      LK - Hemopo, Retallick
                                      LF - Frizell, Ioane, Cane, Sowakula, Whitelock
                                      HB - Smith, Perenara, Weber, Kerr-Barlow
                                      FH - Mo'unga
                                      CT - Laumape, Goodhue, Saili, Ngatai
                                      OB - Bridge, Fainga'anuku

                                      There's maybe five or six guys there that would definitely shore up the current squad but only a few who'd be in contention for starting - Smith, Mo'unga, Laumape, Fainga'anuku?

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                                      • TimT Away
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                                        Tim
                                        wrote on last edited by Tim
                                        #2596

                                        Afoa and Faumuina are the obvious choices for props.

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                                        • TimT Away
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                                          Tim
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2597

                                          Howlett, Piutau, Luatua, Vito, Thorn, Retallick, Ioane, Evans, Nacewa, Fainga'anuku all good players

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