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    Landers92
    wrote on last edited by Landers92
    #2570

    Moses Leo joining the Melbourne Storm a year earlier than anticipated. Will link up with them late this month.

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      Bringing Richie Mo must be costing the NZRU a lot of coin. Will it be worth it if Dmac is off the scene? Hopefully we get some quality 10s who step up next year in Super Rugby.

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      • Landers92L Landers92

        Moses Leo joining the Melbourne Storm a year earlier than anticipated. Will link up with them late this month.

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        @Landers92 heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
        Would have developed into a superb centre in the XVs game
        His top end pace would be better than many
        For me this is a genuine loss given the shortage of midfield backs in NZ

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        • canefanC canefan

          @Mr-Fish said in Exodus:

          Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.

          Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan

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          #2573

          @canefan said in Exodus:

          @Mr-Fish said in Exodus:

          Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.

          Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan

          and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level

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          • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

            @canefan said in Exodus:

            @Mr-Fish said in Exodus:

            Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.

            Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan

            and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level

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            #2574

            @Kiwiwomble said in Exodus:

            @canefan said in Exodus:

            @Mr-Fish said in Exodus:

            Contracts are pretty fluid nowadays. A lot likely rests on when Mo'unga returns to NZ.

            Pinning your hopes on a guy who may or may not come back to NZ and who has no guarantee of being the player he was when he left? I hope that isn't Razor's master plan

            and in fairness....even the player he was when he left wasn;t withing critique at international level

            He was no DC. But neither is anyone else. If they overpay him to get him home, I don't like the message it sends. DMac might have just turned a corner in Dublin only for Razor to bench him for sub prime BB. Meanwhile there are young and up and coming guys in lots of positions that could do with more money to incentivise them to stay longer, and guys like Plummer who decide it's time to leave when they are still in their prime

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              Kiwiwomble
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              #2575

              of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

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                @Landers92 heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract
                Would have developed into a superb centre in the XVs game
                His top end pace would be better than many
                For me this is a genuine loss given the shortage of midfield backs in NZ

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                Bovidae
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                #2576

                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

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                • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                  of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

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                  canefan
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                  #2577

                  @Kiwiwomble said in Exodus:

                  of course, cant compare anyone to DC really...but those out there that think a 30 year old RM will come back and be DC level good after time overseas and solve all problems....are a worry

                  Totally agree. The person we should be most worried about is Razor

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                    heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                    A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                    Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

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                    booboo
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                    #2578

                    @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                    @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                    heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                    A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                    Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                    $75K? No wonder he's off

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                    • boobooB booboo

                      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                      $75K? No wonder he's off

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                      #2579

                      @booboo said in Exodus:

                      @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                      @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                      heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                      A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                      Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                      $75K? No wonder he's off

                      even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

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                        #2580

                        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

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                          #2581

                          that is a remarkably pedestrian list.

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                          • mikedogzM mikedogz

                            https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/534308/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-the-top-10?fbclid=IwY2xjawGqK0xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQYfnTCS45_N0z9b2NjNU87TpkWmaCfZajpnlLCl9-ymZTrB0CLHB8cmYw_aem_Jp8BM-_GU2geIeU8gNje7A

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                            Chris B.
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                            @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                            They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                            Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                            Bundee was one who got away.

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                              #2583

                              I don't think they were added as they went to Samoa and Tonga at international level. These lists are more six nations teams.

                              20 to 11

                              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533600/who-are-our-greatest-rugby-exports-to-europe-part-one

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                @booboo said in Exodus:

                                @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                                heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                                A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                                Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                                $75K? No wonder he's off

                                even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

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                                canefan
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                                #2584

                                @mariner4life said in Exodus:

                                @booboo said in Exodus:

                                @Bovidae said in Exodus:

                                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus:

                                heard from a good source he would have stayed in Rugby if his NPC contract had been topped up as he was only 41k with his NZ 7s contract

                                A fully contracted sevens player gets SR level salaries don't they? Edit: the lowest tier retainer is $50K.

                                Leo's PU contract would be a minimum of $25K.

                                $75K? No wonder he's off

                                even the 30th dude on the roster gets $130k

                                Surely the lack of money on offer in rugby at the emerging level compared to that offered by NRL teams is a problem? It is draining away players who could be NPC/SR or potential late bloomers who might otherwise be potential future ABs

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                  Bundee was one who got away.

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                                  canefan
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                                  #2585

                                  @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                  @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                  They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                  Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                  Bundee was one who got away.

                                  Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                                    #2586

                                    Riccitelli to Montpellier according to Rugby Direct.

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                      @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                      They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                      Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                      Bundee was one who got away.

                                      Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

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                                      Nevorian
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                                      #2587

                                      @canefan said in Exodus:

                                      @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                      @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                      They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                      Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                      Bundee was one who got away.

                                      Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                      And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                                      • N Nevorian

                                        @canefan said in Exodus:

                                        @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                        @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                        They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                        Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                        Bundee was one who got away.

                                        Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                        And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                                        Tim
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                                        #2588

                                        @Nevorian Should have been our starting 10 at the 2007 World Cup.

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                                        • N Nevorian

                                          @canefan said in Exodus:

                                          @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                          @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                          They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                          Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                          Bundee was one who got away.

                                          Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                          And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

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                                          canefan
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                                          #2589

                                          @Nevorian said in Exodus:

                                          @canefan said in Exodus:

                                          @Chris-B said in Exodus:

                                          @mikedogz Charles Piutau and Steven Luatua don't appear to be in this guy's lists.

                                          They're probably the two that I would most have liked to keep.

                                          Based on these lists, anyway, we haven't been too badly hurt by the exodus to Europe. Some guys who turned out to be very handy, but not many superstars.

                                          Bundee was one who got away.

                                          Guys like Simon Mannix and Jimmy Gopperth come to mind, as journeymen who end up having long and productive careers in the UK

                                          And Nick Evans? Probably slightly more talented than a journeyman but always in DCs shadow

                                          Peak Evans would walk into the squad now

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