All Blacks 2025
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I think Ratima has been a bit disappointing to be honest. If Hotham is out I'd prefer Fakatava - he was one of very few highlights in the AUNZ lions game, service looked crisp.
@reprobate I thought he was good in the 3rd test.
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@reprobate I thought he was good in the 3rd test.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate I thought he was good in the 3rd test.
Yeah I thought he alright. The only problem I have with Ratima as back up to Roigard is that they are very similar players, with Ratima not being quite as good.
I think there are other options as the back up 9 who are just as good as Ratima but bring something a bit different.
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It's quite annoying that Mark Tele’a is playing NPC and is not around the ABs squad when Razor and co whinge about selection eligibility of players like Mounga and Frizell.
Tele’a had a quiet season in the beginning of SRP but came could in the end. He's still comfortably the best right wing in the country if Jordan is playing fullback.
I can't remember a single good game Reece has played against the Boks and he's also had some poor games against the Puma's like the one we lost last year in Wellington.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
He doesn't have to play any games. If Robertson wants Leicester in the squad, NZR will let Robertson select him.
NZR might publicly say that the requirement is to play NPC but they've ignored that rule in recent years when convenient.
I can't think of any, who did they do that with?
TJ Perenara when he returned from Japan a couple of years back.
Oh true, that wasn't a sabbatical?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
He doesn't have to play any games. If Robertson wants Leicester in the squad, NZR will let Robertson select him.
NZR might publicly say that the requirement is to play NPC but they've ignored that rule in recent years when convenient.
I can't think of any, who did they do that with?
TJ Perenara when he returned from Japan a couple of years back.
Oh true, that wasn't a sabbatical?
Sure that was a sabbatical.
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Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
I reckon we could just about claim that Sky Stadium should be considered an away game for us so could say that
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Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
Christchuch 3 years ago I believe. Will google.
38-30 in Wellington last year
Edit: and CHC 2 years before that
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300671887/argentina-stun-illdisciplined-all-blacks-in-christchurch-to-bag-historic-win -
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
Christchuch 3 years ago I believe. Will google.
38-30 in Wellington last year
Edit: and CHC 2 years before that
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300671887/argentina-stun-illdisciplined-all-blacks-in-christchurch-to-bag-historic-winAt home for Argentina. The games are over there this year and looks like they haven't beaten us on their home ground.
They beat the Lions so if their best players like Albernoz are around they will target their maiden win against us on their home soil.
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Reckon Argentina would be a great destination to watch the ABs. Red wine, steak, charming human beings - would be amazing tour
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Reckon Argentina would be a great destination to watch the ABs. Red wine, steak, charming human beings - would be amazing tour
Yeah group of mates did it a few years back, didn't surface for another 6 months afterwards.
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@1kiwi said in All Blacks 2025:
With Noah Hotham under an injury cloud and may need to be replaced, who is the next cab off the rank? Xavier Roe, Kyle Preston?
But please no Christie.Preston has some attributes that the ABs could do with (solid kicking game off both feet and pace), but he showed this year he can be a bit sloppy when clearing the ball under pressure. I think he needs more time.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@1kiwi said in All Blacks 2025:
With Noah Hotham under an injury cloud and may need to be replaced, who is the next cab off the rank? Xavier Roe, Kyle Preston?
But please no Christie.Preston has some attributes that the ABs could do with (solid kicking game off both feet and pace), but he showed this year he can be a bit sloppy when clearing the ball under pressure. I think he needs more time.
When we're looking at the 4th choice halfback there will be rough edges. Question is who has the least, or at least fits best with the AB pattern.
Very few ready made Aaron Smiths out there.
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Pumas will certainly be targeting those games against us. Am I correct in saying they haven't beaten us at home yet?
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Reckon Argentina would be a great destination to watch the ABs. Red wine, steak, charming human beings - would be amazing tour
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
Reckon Argentina would be a great destination to watch the ABs. Red wine, steak, charming human beings - would be amazing tour
Yes, it would be awesome
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At home for Argentina. The games are over there this year and looks like they haven't beaten us on their home ground.
They beat the Lions so if their best players like Albernoz are around they will target their maiden win against us on their home soil.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
At home for Argentina. The games are over there this year and looks like they haven't beaten us on their home ground.
They beat the Lions so if their best players like Albernoz are around they will target their maiden win against us on their home soil.
They lost twice to a lion-less England side
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
At home for Argentina. The games are over there this year and looks like they haven't beaten us on their home ground.
They beat the Lions so if their best players like Albernoz are around they will target their maiden win against us on their home soil.
They lost twice to a lion-less England side
They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
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They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
Didn’t they also put 60ish on Aussie at home? The Argies are a bit like the French, if they turn up we’ll be in for a real fight.
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They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
I dont underestimate them.
But England beat them twice without their 10 best players
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
I dont underestimate them.
But England beat them twice without their 10 best players
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
They were missing a bunch of their best players against England including Albernoz. It was effectively a couple of development games for them.
They beat the Lion's a month ago. They beat the Springboks September last year in Argentina. They beat us in Wellington. They shouldn't be underestimated.
I dont underestimate them.
But England beat them twice without their 10 best players
Contempomi rested more than 10 players from the England series:
Gonzalo García, Tomás Albornoz, Joaquín Oviedo, Franco Molina, Joel Sclavi, Mateo Carreras, Bautista Delguy, Juan Cruz Mallía, Santiago Chocobares, Efraín Elías, Guido Petti, Gerónimo Prisciantelli, Ignacio Calles, Eduardo Bello, Ignacio Ruiz, Marcos Kremer.
Not suggesting that they had more firepower out than England, but it was far from a full-strength team.
