All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Goldie on the breakdown "are you guys surprised Beaudy got subbed so early"?
Im surprised he is still a fucking professional rugby player Jeff.
Jesus H Christ.
My favourite Goldie question was "in that performance, did you see anything to be concerned about?"
WTF!
Our backs made 72 metres and one line break, we gave away three Yellow Cards, we kicked aimlessly and were pitiful in the air and in defence. Supposedly experienced leaders were rabbits in the headlights against the 7th ranked side in the world. Our game plan was shit.
Those are some big things to be concerned about.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Goldie on the breakdown "are you guys surprised Beaudy got subbed so early"?
Im surprised he is still a fucking professional rugby player Jeff.
Jesus H Christ.
My favourite Goldie question was "in that performance, did you see anything to be concerned about?"
WTF!
Our backs made 72 metres and one line break, we gave away three Yellow Cards, we kicked aimlessly and were pitiful in the air and in defence. Supposedly experience leaders were rabbits in the headlights against the 7th ranked side in the world. Our game plan was shit.
Those are some big things to be concerned about.
Agreed.
Plus they all pull their punches when it comes to honestly critiquing the performances of the players.
They need a journalist on that show or at least someone who is detached from the All Blacks and is not afraid to call it as it is.
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@nonpartizan I think the last really great NZ TV Rugby pundit was John Drake. A massive loss when he went so young.
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As frustrating as it is, the Sky employees aren't going to rubbish the product they're selling. They've probably been told directly not to make any criticisms. The other media, however, you'd expect to be asking more questions but they don't want to get offside with the team.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Nothing worse than the people in charge apparently having no idea what the problem is. Perhaps we should be quietly sounding out Schmidt, Joseph and Brown for the post-apocolyptic period after 2027?
Well, you can forget Schmidt while the current NZR Board are in place - too much baggage.
There's much that's heading in the right direction with this team but Robertson really has to get a grip and get some input from a Schmidt-like character - particularly in the backline.
I'd be ringing up Vern Cotter or Dave Rennie and asking them to run their eyes over the set-up and give some constrictive input. If not, change will likely be forced on him.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
As frustrating as it is, the Sky employees aren't going to rubbish the product they're selling. They've probably been told directly not to make any criticisms. The other media, however, you'd expect to be asking more questions but they don't want to get offside with the team.
Bollocks to that.
Watch the NFL. Commentators compete with each other for excellence - if you're shit or have bad takes, you get mauled. They call good players playing poorly. They call great play from unexpected sources, and don't go down the sycophancy road. And then,s urprise surprise, it's worth watching.
The love-in with NZR and Sky and the media is just shithouse. Too little competition.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
2 or 3 years ago, the argument was NZ had all the cattle it needed and a change in coach would solve all the problems. Well, guess what - it didn't.
Hold on a second.
After the home series loss to Ireland in 2022 the ABs made huge changes their coaching staff.
In 2024 the ABs came within a whisker of winning the world cup and completed blunted Ireland along the way.
I would say the calls to change the coaching staff were correct.
Look at how far the Wallabies have come in 2 years under Schmidt.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Jordie Barrett is v good under the highbal
Really?
I'm never confident with JB going up for the highball.
I just accept he's knocking it forward.
I hold the complete opposite opinion, I think he's one of the worlds best under the high ball and he's shown that time and again at 15. I have memories of him charging around the field like a mad man trying to take every single high ball as our wings (one was Bridge) couldn't catch a fucking cold.
A back three of Clarke-Jordie-Jordan would be much better suited to the modern test footy.
Video evidence would be appreciated
I think it was this game - nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/rugby-championship-jordie-barrett-reveals-the-area-the-all-blacks-need-to-work-on-in-springboks-rematch/MC6S53XKPYWM2FTPDLAFLBADDM/
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
As frustrating as it is, the Sky employees aren't going to rubbish the product they're selling. They've probably been told directly not to make any criticisms. The other media, however, you'd expect to be asking more questions but they don't want to get offside with the team.
Bollocks to that.
Watch the NFL. Commentators compete with each other for excellence - if you're shit or have bad takes, you get mauled. They call good players playing poorly. They call great play from unexpected sources, and don't go down the sycophancy road. And then,s urprise surprise, it's worth watching.
The love-in with NZR and Sky and the media is just shithouse. Too little competition.
You're absolutely right. But it is because of that competition. I don't like it at all but in NZ, Sky commentators are part of the rugby “family” and are incentivised to protect the product. In the US, NFL commentators are part of a massive sports-media machine where outspoken criticism is both safe and profitable. You need the competition for that to change.
The irony with the difference in approach to criticism is, in NZ, fans get frustrated at this sugar-coating because they can see what's happening - poor play etc - themselves. Meanwhile, in the US, the more brutally honest the commentary, the more fans feel they’re being respected as knowledgeable viewers and don't stop watching because of it.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Shots fired.
Gregor Paul: How ABs became the dumbest and dirtiest team in rugby
OPINION: Sunday's loss in Buenos Aires seriously exposed the All Blacks' flaws.
Another good part of this article
Jordan might sit alongside Australia’s Tom Wright as the world’s best attacking fullback, but he’s barely caught a high ball in the last two tests. Both Rieko Ioane and Reece – in different ways – were shown up by their counterparts as being totally lacking in a skillset that is now non-negotiable for international wings. And so too is there a pressing need to instil a better attacking shape and fast-track the players’ understanding of what they are expected to do when they have possession. -
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Jordan might not be a godsend at fullback. Who woulda thought?
Siege gun boot with pace to burn - is it not Zarn Sullivan’s time?
I’d like to see Love at 10.
Zarn is slow as fuck
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Our backs made 72 metres and one line break
Where did you get these stats from? The Opta ones say the only line break the All Blacks made came from Parker.. Who isn't a back.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Jordan might not be a godsend at fullback. Who woulda thought?
Siege gun boot with pace to burn - is it not Zarn Sullivan’s time?
I’d like to see Love at 10.
Zarn is slow as fuck
He has not kicked on. Looked like he was going to be an absolute star, but injuries have cripple dhis development and he's not where he needs ot be to play at the top level.
It's a pity as the attributes were there. And his boot .../drool
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@antipodean Two Cents Rugby was my initial sauce.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Jordan might not be a godsend at fullback. Who woulda thought?
Siege gun boot with pace to burn - is it not Zarn Sullivan’s time?
I’d like to see Love at 10.
Zarn is slow as fuck
He has not kicked on. Looked like he was going to be an absolute star, but injuries have cripple dhis development and he's not where he needs ot be to play at the top level.
It's a pity as the attributes were there. And his boot .../drool
That is a real shame. Guess those 2024 injuries did him in. He could catch a ball though, so maybe he could be an AB wing. Don’t have to be fast these days
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
2 or 3 years ago, the argument was NZ had all the cattle it needed and a change in coach would solve all the problems. Well, guess what - it didn't.
Hold on a second.
After the home series loss to Ireland in 2022 the ABs made huge changes their coaching staff.
In 2024 the ABs came within a whisker of winning the world cup and completed blunted Ireland along the way.
I would say the calls to change the coaching staff were correct.
Look at how far the Wallabies have come in 2 years under Schmidt.
This is exactly right. We’re in ‘Emperors’ New Clothes’ territory with Robertson and his coaching team. The TV talking head panels like Aotearoa Rugby Pod and the Breakdown are just an extension of the NZ Rugby marketing machine.
Fans aren’t stupid. They know when they are being served up the same crap excuses every time. It was largely public pressure and calls by a handful of actual journalists (as opposed to cheerleaders) which led to Foster’s assistants getting sacked before the World Cup and Schmidt and Ryan being brought in.
Who would have predicted after the Ireland series that the ABs would end up within two points of winning the WC and doing that with 14 men and some appalling refereeing decisions?
One hopes there are some difficult conversations going on at NZ rugby HQ and that expectations are being laid down. The time for excuses and vague hand waving (‘we don’t really understand what happened out there’) is over.
It doesn’t take an Einstein to observe (except that he did) that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
2 or 3 years ago, the argument was NZ had all the cattle it needed and a change in coach would solve all the problems. Well, guess what - it didn't.
Hold on a second.
After the home series loss to Ireland in 2022 the ABs made huge changes their coaching staff.
In 2024 the ABs came within a whisker of winning the world cup and completed blunted Ireland along the way.
I would say the calls to change the coaching staff were correct.
Look at how far the Wallabies have come in 2 years under Schmidt.
This is exactly right. We’re in ‘Emperors’ New Clothes’ territory with Robertson and his coaching team. The TV talking head panels like Aotearoa Rugby Pod and the Breakdown are just an extension of the NZ Rugby marketing machine.
Fans aren’t stupid. They know when they are being served up the same crap excuses every time. It was largely public pressure and calls by a handful of actual journalists (as opposed to cheerleaders) which led to Foster’s assistants getting sacked before the World Cup and Schmidt and Ryan being brought in.
Who would have predicted after the Ireland series that the ABs would end up within two points of winning the WC and doing that with 14 men and some appalling refereeing decisions?
One hopes there are some difficult conversations going on at NZ rugby HQ and that expectations are being laid down. The time for excuses and vague hand waving (‘we don’t really understand what happened out there’) is over.
It doesn’t take an Einstein to observe (except that he did) that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result.
If he doesnt make drastic changes to his coaching group or playing staff or both soon, there will be a groundswell for him to be sacked THIS year.
Dont piss on my neck and tell me its raining Razor.
