All Blacks 2025
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Cody Taylor should be made captain IMO. He’s the only guaranteed starter in the pack with the mana for others to follow.
Savea doesn’t need to start. A spell as the impact sub wouldn’t hurt. He can cover 7/8 , wing (where he spends most time) and midfield
Scott Barrett needs some time out. I think he is a brilliant lock forward on his day, but he looks weighed down by the pressure. When ABs conceded and were behind their posts, I saw a post on here showing that Jordie Barrett was revving the troops with Scott Barrett standing on the periphery. It may have been just a picture taken at specific moment, but it was telling. Too many lieutenants and no single powerful chief. ABs need a leader on the pitch, not just a captain.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
True that, he was very good against the boks. Not sure how a lack of pace would have gone in this last game
Was he good though?
The last 4 games he played against the Boks we lost. In one game he got a yellow and a record loss at the time as captain.
In another he got a red card.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
True that, he was very good against the boks. Not sure how a lack of pace would have gone in this last game
Was he good though?
The last 4 games he played against the Boks we lost. In one game he got a yellow and a record loss at the time as captain.
In another he got a red card.
We were talking about last year, the last 2 games, and yes he was.
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Cody Taylor should be made captain IMO. He’s the only guaranteed starter in the pack with the mana for others to follow.
Savea doesn’t need to start. A spell as the impact sub wouldn’t hurt. He can cover 7/8 , wing (where he spends most time) and midfield
Scott Barrett needs some time out. I think he is a brilliant lock forward on his day, but he looks weighed down by the pressure. When ABs conceded and were behind their posts, I saw a post on here showing that Jordie Barrett was revving the troops with Scott Barrett standing on the periphery. It may have been just a picture taken at specific moment, but it was telling. Too many lieutenants and no single powerful chief. ABs need a leader on the pitch, not just a captain.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
Cody Taylor should be made captain IMO. He’s the only guaranteed starter in the pack with the mana for others to follow.
Savea doesn’t need to start. A spell as the impact sub wouldn’t hurt. He can cover 7/8 , wing (where he spends most time) and midfield
Scott Barrett needs some time out. I think he is a brilliant lock forward on his day, but he looks weighed down by the pressure. When ABs conceded and were behind their posts, I saw a post on here showing that Jordie Barrett was revving the troops with Scott Barrett standing on the periphery. It may have been just a picture taken at specific moment, but it was telling. Too many lieutenants and no single powerful chief. ABs need a leader on the pitch, not just a captain.
Not the first time one of his brothers was doing the talking in the huddle while he stood with his head down
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia largely yes...but i also felt it was about the hole we had at 12 and we had other options at 15, i cant help but think i would have loved to see more of his big boot
TBF, no point him having a big boot when the game plan is not to utilise it.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia largely yes...but i also felt it was about the hole we had at 12 and we had other options at 15, i cant help but think i would have loved to see more of his big boot
TBF, no point him having a big boot when the game plan is not to utilise it.
TBF, no point not selecting him either, if the game plan is not to have a game plan!
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I've said all along i think Parker is a bit passive, needs an edge to his game, and obviously we need to utilise our players better (he ain't the kind of player you want to station wide) and use ones that compliment each other rather than throw the balance out.
Leicester was called into the squad a couple of weeks back as injury cover, then released, but I think he can only rejoin the squad through injury now?
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I remember when NZ scribes wrote about the death of Bok rugby after the 57-0. Seems as if it is the Bok scribes turn now.
Not sure you can really argue with the article right now. NZ rugby is in a real hole (of its own making).
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
I've said all along i think Parker is a bit passive, needs an edge to his game, and obviously we need to utilise our players better (he ain't the kind of player you want to station wide) and use ones that compliment each other rather than throw the balance out.
Leicester was called into the squad a couple of weeks back as injury cover, then released, but I think he can only rejoin the squad through injury now?
He can join as a back OR a forward though
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I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
The word is "Mongrel"
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best interviews ever
Raw honesty
We'll never see the like again
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
Robertson does seem desperate to show he can unearth some sort of amazing unseen talent.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Even though he’s more of a lock, a guy that I’ve always wanted to see get a crack is Naitoa Ah Kuoi. I know he’s been around the environment aswell.
Are we only allowed to pick Chiefs players at 6? We've already tried 5 other Chiefs in the last year or so
Robertson does seem desperate to show he can unearth some sort of amazing unseen talent.
The problem is he seems to be succeeding at the unseen bit.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
Do people forget we saw how Jordie went as AB fullback? It wasn't good enough to keep him there. :confused_face:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
Do people forget we saw how Jordie went as AB fullback? It wasn't good enough to keep him there. :confused_face:
Jordie went to Leinster and looked truly world class.
He has reverted to Hail Mary nonsense in black again though.
I genuinely think the Allblack healing wont properly start until all 3 Barretts and Ardie are gone.
Think of the 2015 team......there were no question marks over whether our locks were locks, or locks/6's.
There was no question mark over whether McCaw was a 7 or a 6 or an 8.
There was no question mark over whether Nonu was a 12.
There was no question mark over whether Carter was a 10 or 15.
There were no question marks over who the captain was.
Now look at the Barretts and Ardie and what they do to our squad makeup......
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I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
@DurryMexted said in All Blacks 2025:
I cant help but think about the clip of Harry Wilson in extra time against Arg last week when they had just won a penalty. Thinks for a moment, looks at his team, points directly at the corner then turns around and screams at his forwards with belief.
The guy is 25 years old, 20 something caps. Has been there through some fucking shit wallabies seasons over the past few years. Lifted the team. Not that hes the perfect player but fuck it feels like something the all blacks need. I dont know who could bring that for us, but it feels like its not there.
I feel like everyone thinks ardie is like that, but i actually dont think ardie would believe in his team as much as he just believes in himself. Jordie to be fair plays with his heart but Im not sure hes up for bossing his older brothers/older team mates around like he needs to. I dont know. Roigard really seems like that kind of no-nonsense operator and works fucking hard, but needs to keep fit for a while first.
I do think the team lacks men.
In the old sense....I know this sounds like such a dinosaur thing to say, but when I look at Reinach I see a man. When I look at Roigard I see a boy.
Same for PSDT, Etzebeth, Marx and the rest. Men.
We are an easy on the eye, well manicured, clean shaven, well spoken bunch.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
Do people forget we saw how Jordie went as AB fullback? It wasn't good enough to keep him there. :confused_face:
Jordie went to Leinster and looked truly world class.
He has reverted to Hail Mary nonsense in black again though.
I genuinely think the Allblack healing wont properly start until all 3 Barretts and Ardie are gone.
Think of the 2015 team......there were no question marks over whether our locks were locks, or locks/6's.
There was no question mark over whether McCaw was a 7 or a 6 or an 8.
There was no question mark over whether Nonu was a 12.
There was no question mark over whether Carter was a 10 or 15.
There were no question marks over who the captain was.
Now look at the Barretts and Ardie and what they do to our squad makeup......
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
Do people forget we saw how Jordie went as AB fullback? It wasn't good enough to keep him there. :confused_face:
Jordie went to Leinster and looked truly world class.
He has reverted to Hail Mary nonsense in black again though.
I genuinely think the Allblack healing wont properly start until all 3 Barretts and Ardie are gone.
Think of the 2015 team......there were no question marks over whether our locks were locks, or locks/6's.
There was no question mark over whether McCaw was a 7 or a 6 or an 8.
There was no question mark over whether Nonu was a 12.
There was no question mark over whether Carter was a 10 or 15.
There were no question marks over who the captain was.
Now look at the Barretts and Ardie and what they do to our squad makeup......
Agreed. The leadership group need to go. None of them know how to win
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Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beauden Barrett has 28 more caps than Daniel Carter.
Beauden Barrett has had 2.33 Christian Cullen careers.
Beauden Barrett has 8 more caps than 2 x Israel Dagg careers.
If Beauden Barrett is ignoring the gameplan, then he should be jettisoned.
I don’t think he is though. The issue isn’t really with Beauden Barrett, is it?
The buck stops with Razor
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I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
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I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
@Jet Exactly. They’re too scared to take some risks and give some players the experience that they need, just like what Rassie has done with his 45!! man squad.
Honestly the number 1 thing I’d do against the Wallabies is start Ruben Love at 10.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t care how good/average Beaudy is right now. The way I look at it, he’s going to be 37 at the RWC. Do we really want a 37 year old running the show?? NZ Rugby has never learned to move on from certain players and it’s frustrating to see.
There is not moving on, and there is not moving on.
He should have never got to 100, never mind 140.
When BB went off to Japan last time it should have been the end. The team is being held to ransom by Razor's selection policy and his inability to deal with Ardie and more crucially BB
