Foster, Robertson etc
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i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go:
i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
Must just be us cosmopolitans
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@Chris-B I remember hearing a few stories about Fawcett back when he was my PE teacher. He's had an eventful career since then.
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B I remember hearing a few stories about Fawcett back when he was my PE teacher. He's had an eventful career since then.
"Eventful" being quite the euphemism there.
I have had the misfortune of running across his path a few times in my life, luckily always briefly. Generally I think most people have a good side, but I've never met a person with a good word for him.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.
Why?
The dog-whistle implication that the coaching staff are racist for a start.
Comes across as a bloke who was denied the chance of a rant at the expected presser.
Care to share? I skim read through it all and couldn't find anything that seemed like an attack. Most of it just seemed like obvious observations.
Edit: Oh you did. Funny how much different people can read it. I read that as Reason being racist, rather than him saying the coaches are Racist. Reason thinks the brown faces aren't going that good and that they must need special care and attention.
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.
Why?
The dog-whistle implication that the coaching staff are racist for a start.
Comes across as a bloke who was denied the chance of a rant at the expected presser.
Care to share? I skim read through it all and couldn't find anything that seemed like an attack. Most of it just seemed like obvious observations.
Edit: Oh you did. Funny how much different people can read it. I read that as Reason being racist, rather than him saying the coaches are Racist. Reason thinks the brown faces aren't going that good and that they must need special care and attention.
That too. Patronising BS.
But it was the statement that Foster didn't get the best out of specific racial groups which stood out. Classic dog-whistle accusation for me.
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lol, meeting never went ahead apparently, I wonder if "Karen" Malcolm probably cancelled that too because she was worried about the boards feelings
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lol, meeting never went ahead apparently, I wonder if "Karen" Malcolm probably cancelled that too because she was worried about the boards feelings
In answer to an earlier post, Christian Cullen married a Mandy Fawcett and I have nothing bad to say about her dad (then again I don't know any of them).
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lol, meeting never went ahead apparently, I wonder if "Karen" Malcolm probably cancelled that too because she was worried about the boards feelings
There are a few comments to her post about cancelling the meeting on LinkedIn as well.
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@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
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@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
The bean-counter was having a go at the fish-head?
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@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
That's a very subtle name drop. How is Ben these days?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go:
i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
Must just be us cosmopolitans
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go:
i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
Must just be us cosmopolitans
Or fans of Norm Hewitts book
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
That's a very subtle name drop. How is Ben these days?
@Bones just got married I think...
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This sums things up nicely.
https://dylancleaver.substack.com/p/comms-101-how-not-to-react-to-a-loss
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
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@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
well if he is retained I am not sure who has confidence in anyone.
A double-layered shit sandwich wrapped in stinking glad wrap shared around the picnic table. -
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
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@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
And even tougher when the NZR policy for what to do is "geez, I don't really know". However, in a vacuum rumour often becomes the truth given enough time in a typical organisation.
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
I agree MNS, not sure he needs to be censored, he writes opinion pieces. unfortunately I have opinion too. and mine is he's a click bait so called journalist,of a very low standard, so don't read him anymore, and perhaps think have a slightly less opinion of people who quote him etc. I not saying they wrong, just I find using him to base arguments etc kind of lessens the value of said argument etc.
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
@PecoTrain said in Foster must go:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
And that first test was not a good ABs performance either... They got the W, but it was hardly a cohesive team effort.
