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All Blacks v Argentina II

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  • C cgrant

    @pakman
    Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.

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    @cgrant my eyes have been impressed with Beehre's carrying this season.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @cgrant my eyes have been impressed with Beehre's carrying this season.

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      @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @cgrant my eyes have been impressed with Beehre's carrying this season.

      Beehre had some of the best attacking stats among the locks last season super season. Carrying, defenders beaten, and post contact metres were impressive.

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      • C cgrant

        @pakman
        Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.

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        @cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @pakman
        Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.

        Being up to snuff at TH lock is key to withstanding Boks scrum.
        Patty T, after being poor technically for much of his career, came of age as a scrummager behind Renata under Cotter.
        Scooter, who is a world class LH scrummager, has made good fist of moving to TH as required, a la Big Sam.
        Vaa’i has developed into a top quality TH scrummager.

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          #208

          For Canes IWL often cited, but last year the bench impact of Tosi with Justin Sangster behind him was not to be sneezed at. Well remember Canes really pummelling Brumbies scrum who had Slipper and AAA at prop.

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          • P pakman

            I can’t say I’ve noticed how Parker defends. Assumed solid, and neither a thumper nor a scragger. @Bovidae?

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            @pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            I can’t say I’ve noticed how Parker defends. Assumed solid, and neither a thumper nor a scragger. @Bovidae?

            A little bit of all of the above, to be honest. I wouldn't say he regularly puts in big hits but he has smashed a few ball-carriers in the past. He isn't the lightest on his feet (not without a bit of time to build monetum) which mean he sometimes has to scrag players who are going around him.

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            • C cgrant

              @pakman
              Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.

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              @cgrant I’ll keep an eye out for the young big BOPper.

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                Feel free to actually include some context.

                In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

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                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                Feel free to actually include some context.

                In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything :bald_man:

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                • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                  Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                  Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                  Feel free to actually include some context.

                  In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                  In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                  More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                  Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                  Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything :bald_man:

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                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                  Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                  Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                  Feel free to actually include some context.

                  In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                  In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                  More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                  Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                  Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything

                  You would have been much better served going with Vaai, rather than a clear and obvious example of Fozzie fucking up the obvious.

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                  • antipodeanA antipodean

                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                    Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                    Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                    Feel free to actually include some context.

                    In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                    In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                    More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                    I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.

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                    @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                    Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                    Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                    Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                    Feel free to actually include some context.

                    In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                    In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                    More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                    I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.

                    Yep seems sometimes the coaches actually know what they dealing with.
                    I recall the Taylor is useless, too old etc etc from quite a few at the time.
                    Players have slumps inform , it's a fact, not everyone is on top of their game all the time. I remember early in 2015 there were quite a number suggesting McCaw was a spent force too, and coaches were only picking him as he was favourite.

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

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                      @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                      I’d put Will Jordan’s name down first but the rest is true. Amazing resurgence in form considering he looked cooked a few years back. Great effort to get the ton.

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                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.

                        Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.

                        Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto

                        Feel free to actually include some context.

                        In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through

                        In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on

                        More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).

                        Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                        Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything :bald_man:

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                        @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                        Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything

                        I know it is extremely unusual, but the fern was actually correct (perhaps not insightful because everyone knew he wasn't going well). Taylor was rightly called out here a few years back. That doesn't mean we can revise the history of his poor run of form and say that it didn't happen because he is good again now.

                        Anyway, awesome achievement to get to 100 tests.

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                          Devlin dropped a thing on X challenging peeps to name the other 13 Centurions in 2mins without googling..

                          I got 12. Git stuck on the latest. Oops.

                          Now a challenge for the Frrn: No need to list them, but gives us your numbers.

                          Booboo: 12/13

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                            I only got about 10 while just looking at this, not going to go away and think about it, so you beat me boo.

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                            • SnowyS Snowy

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                              Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything

                              I know it is extremely unusual, but the fern was actually correct (perhaps not insightful because everyone knew he wasn't going well). Taylor was rightly called out here a few years back. That doesn't mean we can revise the history of his poor run of form and say that it didn't happen because he is good again now.

                              Anyway, awesome achievement to get to 100 tests.

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                              @Snowy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              Bugger me. I only pointed out Taylor got some serious shit on here a few years back and is a classic example of the Fern motto. But as you want some context, the motto is.....,.....

                              Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight, Wrong about pretty much everything

                              I know it is extremely unusual, but the fern was actually correct (perhaps not insightful because everyone knew he wasn't going well). Taylor was rightly called out here a few years back. That doesn't mean we can revise the history of his poor run of form and say that it didn't happen because he is good again now.

                              Anyway, awesome achievement to get to 100 tests.

                              He was, he had an awful run in around 2020-2022, he deserved to be called out for it and I thought he was finished then. He's come back well.

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                              • boobooB booboo

                                Devlin dropped a thing on X challenging peeps to name the other 13 Centurions in 2mins without googling..

                                I got 12. Git stuck on the latest. Oops.

                                Now a challenge for the Frrn: No need to list them, but gives us your numbers.

                                Booboo: 12/13

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                                @booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                Devlin dropped a thing on X challenging peeps to name the other 13 Centurions in 2mins without googling..

                                I got 12. Git stuck on the latest. Oops.

                                Now a challenge for the Frrn: No need to list them, but gives us your numbers.

                                Booboo: 12/13

                                12 also and then had Coles there incorrectly as my 13th guess.

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                                  The three I missed were all front rowers which probably speaks volumes about how much I pay attention to them while watching.

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                                    #221

                                    It was actually difficult to find a comprehensive list. Top 10 were on Wiki.

                                    I've put the list with spoilers...

                                    1 Sam Whitelock Lock 2010–2023 153
                                    2 Richie McCaw Flanker 2001–2015 148
                                    3 Beauden Barrett Fly-half 2012– 137
                                    4 Keven Mealamu Hooker 2002–2015 132
                                    5 Kieran Read Number 8 2008–2019 127
                                    6 Aaron Smith Scrum-half 2012–2023 125
                                    7 Tony Woodcock Prop 2002–2015 118
                                    8 Dan Carter Fly-half 2003–2015 112
                                    9 Brodie Retallick Lock 2012–2023 109
                                    10 Owen Franks Prop 2009–2019 108
                                    11 Sam Cane 104
                                    12 Ma'a Nonu 103
                                    13 Malili Muliaina 100

                                    But feel free to measure yourself.

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      It was actually difficult to find a comprehensive list. Top 10 were on Wiki.

                                      I've put the list with spoilers...

                                      1 Sam Whitelock Lock 2010–2023 153
                                      2 Richie McCaw Flanker 2001–2015 148
                                      3 Beauden Barrett Fly-half 2012– 137
                                      4 Keven Mealamu Hooker 2002–2015 132
                                      5 Kieran Read Number 8 2008–2019 127
                                      6 Aaron Smith Scrum-half 2012–2023 125
                                      7 Tony Woodcock Prop 2002–2015 118
                                      8 Dan Carter Fly-half 2003–2015 112
                                      9 Brodie Retallick Lock 2012–2023 109
                                      10 Owen Franks Prop 2009–2019 108
                                      11 Sam Cane 104
                                      12 Ma'a Nonu 103
                                      13 Malili Muliaina 100

                                      But feel free to measure yourself.

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                                      @booboo 9 & 10 were the ones i missed!

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                                        • boobooB booboo

                                          Devlin dropped a thing on X challenging peeps to name the other 13 Centurions in 2mins without googling..

                                          I got 12. Git stuck on the latest. Oops.

                                          Now a challenge for the Frrn: No need to list them, but gives us your numbers.

                                          Booboo: 12/13

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                                          @booboo 12/13 too.

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