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  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

    @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

    @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

    @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

    It will be interesting to see how the ABs are going to play.

    Very average based on a few of those selections.

    The Blues showed the kind of game plan that will work vs teams like England and the Boks. We've been too loose for too long

    Not to bring up old ground as we all look to the future and all that stuff, but in the tests before and during the World Cup I thought we got the balance right.

    Other than a couple of kicks we basically had the tight game that matched and even for good periods surpass the Boks.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in Name Your AB Team:

    @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

    @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

    @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

    It will be interesting to see how the ABs are going to play.

    Very average based on a few of those selections.

    The Blues showed the kind of game plan that will work vs teams like England and the Boks. We've been too loose for too long

    Not to bring up old ground as we all look to the future and all that stuff, but in the tests before and during the World Cup I thought we got the balance right.

    Other than a couple of kicks we basically had the tight game that matched and even for good periods surpass the Boks.

    Definitely better in Fozzies last year. The Irish QF was the peak

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    • KirwanK Kirwan

      If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

      The bane of the Foster era was conservative selections when players put their hands up. No point having the most talented players in the world if you don't pick them.

      Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

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      @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

      If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

      Who was that BTW? Not being a dick, the Final was literally the only Super game I’ve watched this season

      Sotutu?

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        Yes, Sotutu.

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        • FrankF Frank

          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

          I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

          The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

          Havili can play all three.
          Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
          I don't like it either.
          Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

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          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

          Havili can play all three.

          People keep saying this, but he can't. And if he can, it's to a much lower level than Jordie can.

          But Havili was deemed such a failure at ten for the crusaders, that a loudly proclaimed "he will play there until the end of the season" was u-turned sharply after two games.

          And then in a season where Jordan is injured, Havili didn't play fullback. He hasn't played there in years.

          The only thing I can think of, is he's played his best rugby under Razor and he believes he's got the key to unlocking that at test level.

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          • ChrisC Chris

            @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

            @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

            Props:
            de Groot
            Williams
            Tu'ungafasi
            Lomax
            Newell
            Bower

            Hookers:
            Taylor
            Aumua
            Bell if no Taukieho

            Locks:
            Barrett CC
            Tuipulotu
            Vaa'i

            Loose Forwards:
            Papalii
            Savea CC
            Blackadder
            Sititi
            Finau
            Cane

            Halfbacks:
            Christie
            Perenara
            Ratima

            First Fives:
            McKenzie
            Plummer

            Midfielders:
            Barrett
            Havili
            Ioane
            Lienert-Brown

            Outside Backs:
            Tele'a
            Clarke
            Reece
            Narawa
            Barrett

            You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

            Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

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            @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

            @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

            Props:
            de Groot
            Williams
            Tu'ungafasi
            Lomax
            Newell
            Bower

            Hookers:
            Taylor
            Aumua
            Bell if no Taukieho

            Locks:
            Barrett CC
            Tuipulotu
            Vaa'i

            Loose Forwards:
            Papalii
            Savea CC
            Blackadder
            Sititi
            Finau
            Cane

            Halfbacks:
            Christie
            Perenara
            Ratima

            First Fives:
            McKenzie
            Plummer

            Midfielders:
            Barrett
            Havili
            Ioane
            Lienert-Brown

            Outside Backs:
            Tele'a
            Clarke
            Reece
            Narawa
            Barrett

            You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

            Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

            How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

            Fireworks incoming.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

              @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

              Props:
              de Groot
              Williams
              Tu'ungafasi
              Lomax
              Newell
              Bower

              Hookers:
              Taylor
              Aumua
              Bell if no Taukieho

              Locks:
              Barrett CC
              Tuipulotu
              Vaa'i

              Loose Forwards:
              Papalii
              Savea CC
              Blackadder
              Sititi
              Finau
              Cane

              Halfbacks:
              Christie
              Perenara
              Ratima

              First Fives:
              McKenzie
              Plummer

              Midfielders:
              Barrett
              Havili
              Ioane
              Lienert-Brown

              Outside Backs:
              Tele'a
              Clarke
              Reece
              Narawa
              Barrett

              You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

              Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

              How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

              Fireworks incoming.

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              #214

              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

              @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

              Props:
              de Groot
              Williams
              Tu'ungafasi
              Lomax
              Newell
              Bower

              Hookers:
              Taylor
              Aumua
              Bell if no Taukieho

              Locks:
              Barrett CC
              Tuipulotu
              Vaa'i

              Loose Forwards:
              Papalii
              Savea CC
              Blackadder
              Sititi
              Finau
              Cane

              Halfbacks:
              Christie
              Perenara
              Ratima

              First Fives:
              McKenzie
              Plummer

              Midfielders:
              Barrett
              Havili
              Ioane
              Lienert-Brown

              Outside Backs:
              Tele'a
              Clarke
              Reece
              Narawa
              Barrett

              You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

              Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

              How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

              Fireworks incoming.

              Even better

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              • frugbyF frugby

                Final All Blacks Squad Prediction

                Props:
                de Groot
                Williams
                Tu'ungafasi
                Lomax
                Newell

                Hookers:
                Taylor
                Aumua
                McAllister (If Taukei'aho is injured)

                Locks:
                Barrett
                Tuipulotu
                Darry
                Vaa'i

                Loose Forwards:
                Papalii
                Savea
                Blackadder
                Sotutu
                Finau
                Lakai

                Halfbacks:
                Christie
                Perenara
                Fakatava

                First Fives:
                McKenzie
                Barrett
                Perofeta

                Midfielders:
                Barrett
                Havili
                Ioane
                Lienert-Brown

                Outside Backs:
                Tele'a
                Clarke
                Reece
                Narawa

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                @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

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                  @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

                  Hell, I'd be tempted to put him ahead of BB based on his last form in black

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                  • C chchfanatic

                    Props:
                    de Groot
                    Williams
                    Tu'ungafasi
                    Lomax
                    Newell
                    Bower

                    Hookers:
                    Taylor
                    Aumua
                    Bell if no Taukieho

                    Locks:
                    Barrett CC
                    Tuipulotu
                    Vaa'i

                    Loose Forwards:
                    Papalii
                    Savea CC
                    Blackadder
                    Sititi
                    Finau
                    Cane

                    Halfbacks:
                    Christie
                    Perenara
                    Ratima

                    First Fives:
                    McKenzie
                    Plummer

                    Midfielders:
                    Barrett
                    Havili
                    Ioane
                    Lienert-Brown

                    Outside Backs:
                    Tele'a
                    Clarke
                    Reece
                    Narawa
                    Barrett

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                    sparky
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                    #217

                    @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                    1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                    2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                    3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                    4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                    5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                    6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                      Props:
                      de Groot
                      Williams
                      Tu'ungafasi
                      Lomax
                      Newell
                      Bower

                      Hookers:
                      Taylor
                      Aumua
                      Bell if no Taukieho

                      Locks:
                      Barrett CC
                      Tuipulotu
                      Vaa'i

                      Loose Forwards:
                      Papalii
                      Savea CC
                      Blackadder
                      Sititi
                      Finau
                      Cane

                      Halfbacks:
                      Christie
                      Perenara
                      Ratima

                      First Fives:
                      McKenzie
                      Plummer

                      Midfielders:
                      Barrett
                      Havili
                      Ioane
                      Lienert-Brown

                      Outside Backs:
                      Tele'a
                      Clarke
                      Reece
                      Narawa
                      Barrett

                      You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

                      Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

                      How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

                      Fireworks incoming.

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                      #218

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                      Props:
                      de Groot
                      Williams
                      Tu'ungafasi
                      Lomax
                      Newell
                      Bower

                      Hookers:
                      Taylor
                      Aumua
                      Bell if no Taukieho

                      Locks:
                      Barrett CC
                      Tuipulotu
                      Vaa'i

                      Loose Forwards:
                      Papalii
                      Savea CC
                      Blackadder
                      Sititi
                      Finau
                      Cane

                      Halfbacks:
                      Christie
                      Perenara
                      Ratima

                      First Fives:
                      McKenzie
                      Plummer

                      Midfielders:
                      Barrett
                      Havili
                      Ioane
                      Lienert-Brown

                      Outside Backs:
                      Tele'a
                      Clarke
                      Reece
                      Narawa
                      Barrett

                      You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

                      Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

                      How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

                      Fireworks incoming.

                      It'll be eggs cooked over fireworks if an AB team wipe England with names like Strange and Havili.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                        1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                        2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                        3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                        4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                        5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                        6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

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                        @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                        1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                        2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                        3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                        4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                        5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                        6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                        Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                          @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                          1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                          2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                          3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                          4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                          5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                          6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                          Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                          @Canes4life Aumua will be delighted to get an AB recall.

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                          • KirwanK Kirwan

                            If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

                            The bane of the Foster era was conservative selections when players put their hands up. No point having the most talented players in the world if you don't pick them.

                            Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

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                            @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                            Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

                            I'd pick Billy Proctor ahead of AJ Lam, but I'd pick both of them and McLeod ahead of David Havili now.

                            Genuinely baffling selection, if true.

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                              Unless Super Rugby form means absolutely nothing, I think Sam Darry should be given an All Blacks call. He has flourished in recent weeks under Vern Cotter's direction.

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                              • TimT Away
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                                Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                                • TimT Tim

                                  Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                                  @Tim

                                  England I believe

                                  https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12504/12020310/will-greenwood-why-wouldnt-england-talk-to-hoskins-sotutu

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                                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                                    1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                                    2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                                    3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                                    4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                                    5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                                    6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                                    Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                                    #225

                                    @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year.

                                    Different coaches.

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                                    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                      @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                                      1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                                      2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                                      3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                                      4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                                      5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                                      6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                                      Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                                      @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Hookers:
                                      Taylor
                                      Aumua
                                      Bell if no Taukieho

                                      @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                      Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                      But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

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                                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                        @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Hookers:
                                        Taylor
                                        Aumua
                                        Bell if no Taukieho

                                        @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                        Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                        But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

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                                        #227

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Hookers:
                                        Taylor
                                        Aumua
                                        Bell if no Taukieho

                                        @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                        Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                        But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

                                        Will Jordan's still injured. I'm fairly certain he'd be in everyone's squad if fit.

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                                        • TimT Tim

                                          Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                                          #228

                                          @Tim His mother is English. Eddie Jones was in conversation with him before he was firstly picked for the ABs.

                                          Steve Borthwick and the RFU would be insane not to throw a lot of money at Hoskins Sotutu if he is unwanted by the ABs. He would be an utterly transformational player for English Rugby.

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