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  • KirwanK Kirwan

    If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

    The bane of the Foster era was conservative selections when players put their hands up. No point having the most talented players in the world if you don't pick them.

    Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

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    @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

    If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

    Who was that BTW? Not being a dick, the Final was literally the only Super game I’ve watched this season

    Sotutu?

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      #211

      Yes, Sotutu.

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      • F Frank

        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

        I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

        The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

        Havili can play all three.
        Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
        I don't like it either.
        Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

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        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

        Havili can play all three.

        People keep saying this, but he can't. And if he can, it's to a much lower level than Jordie can.

        But Havili was deemed such a failure at ten for the crusaders, that a loudly proclaimed "he will play there until the end of the season" was u-turned sharply after two games.

        And then in a season where Jordan is injured, Havili didn't play fullback. He hasn't played there in years.

        The only thing I can think of, is he's played his best rugby under Razor and he believes he's got the key to unlocking that at test level.

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        • ChrisC Chris

          @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

          @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

          Props:
          de Groot
          Williams
          Tu'ungafasi
          Lomax
          Newell
          Bower

          Hookers:
          Taylor
          Aumua
          Bell if no Taukieho

          Locks:
          Barrett CC
          Tuipulotu
          Vaa'i

          Loose Forwards:
          Papalii
          Savea CC
          Blackadder
          Sititi
          Finau
          Cane

          Halfbacks:
          Christie
          Perenara
          Ratima

          First Fives:
          McKenzie
          Plummer

          Midfielders:
          Barrett
          Havili
          Ioane
          Lienert-Brown

          Outside Backs:
          Tele'a
          Clarke
          Reece
          Narawa
          Barrett

          You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

          Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

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          @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

          @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

          @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

          Props:
          de Groot
          Williams
          Tu'ungafasi
          Lomax
          Newell
          Bower

          Hookers:
          Taylor
          Aumua
          Bell if no Taukieho

          Locks:
          Barrett CC
          Tuipulotu
          Vaa'i

          Loose Forwards:
          Papalii
          Savea CC
          Blackadder
          Sititi
          Finau
          Cane

          Halfbacks:
          Christie
          Perenara
          Ratima

          First Fives:
          McKenzie
          Plummer

          Midfielders:
          Barrett
          Havili
          Ioane
          Lienert-Brown

          Outside Backs:
          Tele'a
          Clarke
          Reece
          Narawa
          Barrett

          You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

          Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

          How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

          Fireworks incoming.

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

            @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

            Props:
            de Groot
            Williams
            Tu'ungafasi
            Lomax
            Newell
            Bower

            Hookers:
            Taylor
            Aumua
            Bell if no Taukieho

            Locks:
            Barrett CC
            Tuipulotu
            Vaa'i

            Loose Forwards:
            Papalii
            Savea CC
            Blackadder
            Sititi
            Finau
            Cane

            Halfbacks:
            Christie
            Perenara
            Ratima

            First Fives:
            McKenzie
            Plummer

            Midfielders:
            Barrett
            Havili
            Ioane
            Lienert-Brown

            Outside Backs:
            Tele'a
            Clarke
            Reece
            Narawa
            Barrett

            You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

            Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

            How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

            Fireworks incoming.

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            #214

            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

            @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

            Props:
            de Groot
            Williams
            Tu'ungafasi
            Lomax
            Newell
            Bower

            Hookers:
            Taylor
            Aumua
            Bell if no Taukieho

            Locks:
            Barrett CC
            Tuipulotu
            Vaa'i

            Loose Forwards:
            Papalii
            Savea CC
            Blackadder
            Sititi
            Finau
            Cane

            Halfbacks:
            Christie
            Perenara
            Ratima

            First Fives:
            McKenzie
            Plummer

            Midfielders:
            Barrett
            Havili
            Ioane
            Lienert-Brown

            Outside Backs:
            Tele'a
            Clarke
            Reece
            Narawa
            Barrett

            You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

            Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

            How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

            Fireworks incoming.

            Even better

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            • F frugby

              Final All Blacks Squad Prediction

              Props:
              de Groot
              Williams
              Tu'ungafasi
              Lomax
              Newell

              Hookers:
              Taylor
              Aumua
              McAllister (If Taukei'aho is injured)

              Locks:
              Barrett
              Tuipulotu
              Darry
              Vaa'i

              Loose Forwards:
              Papalii
              Savea
              Blackadder
              Sotutu
              Finau
              Lakai

              Halfbacks:
              Christie
              Perenara
              Fakatava

              First Fives:
              McKenzie
              Barrett
              Perofeta

              Midfielders:
              Barrett
              Havili
              Ioane
              Lienert-Brown

              Outside Backs:
              Tele'a
              Clarke
              Reece
              Narawa

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              @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

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              • sparkyS sparky

                @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

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                @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                @frugby That looks about right, but I think Harry Plummer is perhaps ahead of Perofeta now.

                Hell, I'd be tempted to put him ahead of BB based on his last form in black

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                • C chchfanatic

                  Props:
                  de Groot
                  Williams
                  Tu'ungafasi
                  Lomax
                  Newell
                  Bower

                  Hookers:
                  Taylor
                  Aumua
                  Bell if no Taukieho

                  Locks:
                  Barrett CC
                  Tuipulotu
                  Vaa'i

                  Loose Forwards:
                  Papalii
                  Savea CC
                  Blackadder
                  Sititi
                  Finau
                  Cane

                  Halfbacks:
                  Christie
                  Perenara
                  Ratima

                  First Fives:
                  McKenzie
                  Plummer

                  Midfielders:
                  Barrett
                  Havili
                  Ioane
                  Lienert-Brown

                  Outside Backs:
                  Tele'a
                  Clarke
                  Reece
                  Narawa
                  Barrett

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                  sparky
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                  #217

                  @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                  1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                  2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                  3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                  4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                  5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                  6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                    Props:
                    de Groot
                    Williams
                    Tu'ungafasi
                    Lomax
                    Newell
                    Bower

                    Hookers:
                    Taylor
                    Aumua
                    Bell if no Taukieho

                    Locks:
                    Barrett CC
                    Tuipulotu
                    Vaa'i

                    Loose Forwards:
                    Papalii
                    Savea CC
                    Blackadder
                    Sititi
                    Finau
                    Cane

                    Halfbacks:
                    Christie
                    Perenara
                    Ratima

                    First Fives:
                    McKenzie
                    Plummer

                    Midfielders:
                    Barrett
                    Havili
                    Ioane
                    Lienert-Brown

                    Outside Backs:
                    Tele'a
                    Clarke
                    Reece
                    Narawa
                    Barrett

                    You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

                    Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

                    How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

                    Fireworks incoming.

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                    #218

                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Landers92 said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                    Props:
                    de Groot
                    Williams
                    Tu'ungafasi
                    Lomax
                    Newell
                    Bower

                    Hookers:
                    Taylor
                    Aumua
                    Bell if no Taukieho

                    Locks:
                    Barrett CC
                    Tuipulotu
                    Vaa'i

                    Loose Forwards:
                    Papalii
                    Savea CC
                    Blackadder
                    Sititi
                    Finau
                    Cane

                    Halfbacks:
                    Christie
                    Perenara
                    Ratima

                    First Fives:
                    McKenzie
                    Plummer

                    Midfielders:
                    Barrett
                    Havili
                    Ioane
                    Lienert-Brown

                    Outside Backs:
                    Tele'a
                    Clarke
                    Reece
                    Narawa
                    Barrett

                    You had an inside word on the squad naming too? If this is anything to go by, this place is going to be some bloody good entertainment around 5.35pm tomorrow evening.

                    Yeah I have my popcorn ready.

                    How about the popcorn if Razor's mediocre bunch blow Eden Park's undefeated streak vs England in a few weeks.

                    Fireworks incoming.

                    It'll be eggs cooked over fireworks if an AB team wipe England with names like Strange and Havili.

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                      1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                      2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                      3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                      4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                      5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                      6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

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                      #219

                      @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                      1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                      2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                      3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                      4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                      5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                      6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                      Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                      • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                        @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                        1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                        2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                        3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                        4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                        5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                        6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                        Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                        @Canes4life Aumua will be delighted to get an AB recall.

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                        • KirwanK Kirwan

                          If Razor doesn't pick the best looseforward in the country this Super season, then I have very low expectations from the ABs this year.

                          The bane of the Foster era was conservative selections when players put their hands up. No point having the most talented players in the world if you don't pick them.

                          Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

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                          #221

                          @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                          Lam has done enough to get ahead of the epitome of mid Havilli for example. How many times does a player have to fail to impress at Test level before you move on?

                          I'd pick Billy Proctor ahead of AJ Lam, but I'd pick both of them and McLeod ahead of David Havili now.

                          Genuinely baffling selection, if true.

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                            Unless Super Rugby form means absolutely nothing, I think Sam Darry should be given an All Blacks call. He has flourished in recent weeks under Vern Cotter's direction.

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                              Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                              • TimT Tim

                                Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                                @Tim

                                England I believe

                                https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12504/12020310/will-greenwood-why-wouldnt-england-talk-to-hoskins-sotutu

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                                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                  @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                                  1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                                  2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                                  3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                                  4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                                  5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                                  6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                                  Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                                  #225

                                  @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year.

                                  Different coaches.

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                                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @chchfanatic That could well be correct.

                                    1. Only three locks is insane given how often they get injured.

                                    2. No Hoskins Sotutu is insane too given he's arguably been the best Super player of the season and could bugger off and play for England or Fiji.

                                    3. Disappointing not to see Ruben Love there. I think he's our best player under the high ball.

                                    4. Disappointing not to see Billy Proctor there. He's so ready for test rugby.

                                    5. I'm not sure Sam Cane has played any Rugby in 2024. You'd have thought he needs to play at least half a club game before being considered for AB selection.

                                    6. George Bell looks the part but his throwing and his work in the tight are a long way below Test standard.

                                    Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

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                                    @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    Hookers:
                                    Taylor
                                    Aumua
                                    Bell if no Taukieho

                                    @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                    Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                    But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

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                                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                      @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Hookers:
                                      Taylor
                                      Aumua
                                      Bell if no Taukieho

                                      @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                      Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                      But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

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                                      #227

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      @chchfanatic said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Hookers:
                                      Taylor
                                      Aumua
                                      Bell if no Taukieho

                                      @Canes4life said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      Asafo Aumua will be pissed. He showed better form than Bell has over the last couple years and wasn’t considered for that very reason. Now Bell gets in despite being pretty inconsistent all year. Some of these selections are baffling.

                                      Man, the nerves of a first AB squad naming for 2024 is really getting to some.

                                      But I’ll too have my pitchfork ready if Moody, Franks, Bell, Strange, Christie, Grace, Lio-Willie, Havili (oops he’ll make it), Ennor, Jordan don’t make it.

                                      Will Jordan's still injured. I'm fairly certain he'd be in everyone's squad if fit.

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        Did I imagine it, or is Sotutu eligible (after stand-down period) for some other countries? Definitely Fiji, maybe Australia?

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                                        #228

                                        @Tim His mother is English. Eddie Jones was in conversation with him before he was firstly picked for the ABs.

                                        Steve Borthwick and the RFU would be insane not to throw a lot of money at Hoskins Sotutu if he is unwanted by the ABs. He would be an utterly transformational player for English Rugby.

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                                        • sparkyS sparky

                                          @Tim His mother is English. Eddie Jones was in conversation with him before he was firstly picked for the ABs.

                                          Steve Borthwick and the RFU would be insane not to throw a lot of money at Hoskins Sotutu if he is unwanted by the ABs. He would be an utterly transformational player for English Rugby.

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                                          @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          @Tim His mother is English. Eddie Jones was in conversation with him before he was firstly picked for the ABs.

                                          Steve Borthwick and the RFU would be insane not to throw a lot of money at Hoskins Sotutu if he is unwanted by the ABs. He would be an utterly transformation player for English Rugby.

                                          Settle down

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