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Blues 2021

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  • TimT Tim

    With most of the squad known or rumoured now, it's time to take a stab at a prediction, with an allowance for some players possibly being signed early on due to COVID uncertainty (e.g. Choat missing out):

    Props

    Tu'inukuafe
    Hodgman
    N Mayhew
    O Tu'ungafasi
    Laulala
    Renata

    Hookers

    Parsons
    Eklund
    Niuia (may be replaced by Tolai until recovered from injury)

    Locks

    Tuipulotu
    Pierce
    Goodhue
    Cowley-Tuioti
    Darry

    Loose forwards

    Gibson
    Hunt
    Papalii
    Robinson
    Sotutu
    A Ioane
    Riedlinger-Kapa

    Halfbacks

    Nock
    Christie
    Ruru

    1st Five Eighths

    Black
    Perofeta
    Plummer
    Heighton

    Midfield

    Faiane
    T Tele'a
    R Ioane
    TBC

    Outside Backs

    Clarke (may be absent for Olympics Sevens)
    M Telea
    Narawa
    AJ Lam
    Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
    Sullivan

    Tei Walden may be available for a midfield pick, provided he has recovered from his achilles tendon (?) injury. AJ Lam can cover centre, and possibly Clarke too. Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter? NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020. Would like to see Choat in the loose forwards if possible.

    That's 38 players in total, looks like we had more last year due to cover for Clarke and Barrett, which included Marchant. Also had 8 loose forwards rather than 7, so maybe room for Choat yet.

    Out:

    Lindenmuth
    Mafileo
    Carroll
    Lamborn
    Tucker
    Barrett
    Marchent
    Hyland
    Duffie
    Page

    In:

    N Mayhew
    Laulala
    Darry
    Hunt
    TBC (midfield)
    AJ Lam
    Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
    Sullivan

    Provincial breakdown:

    Auckland - 8 forwards, 8 backs, 16 total
    North Harbour - 6 forwards, 1 back, 7 total
    Northland - 2 forwards, 1 back, 3 total
    Counties - 2
    BOP - 3
    Ta$man - 3
    Canterbury - 1
    Taranaki - 2

    Match XXIII

    Big decision over fullback, maybe right wing, but that's about it. Expect plenty of rotation in the forwards

    1 Hodgman
    2 Eklund
    3 Laulala
    4 Tuipulotu
    5 Pierce
    6 A Ioane
    7 Papalii
    8 Sotutu

    9 Nock (MacDonald may favour Christie though)
    10 Black
    11 Clarke
    12 Faiane
    13 R Ioane
    14 M Telea
    15 Sullivan (tight contest with Perofeta)

    16 Parsons
    17 Tu'inukuafe
    18 Tu'ungafasi
    19 Cowley-Tuioti/Goodhue
    20 Robinson/Gibson/Hunt
    21 Christie
    22 Plummer
    23 T Tele'a

    With A Ioane showing he can attack a lineout at test level, there should be a lot of good options on either side of the lineout throw. Tuipulotu is good at attacking opposition throws at test level too, with Sotutu demonstrating that ability in SRA this year. Pierce was a standout forward in the NPC, and attacked the opposition lineout well too.

    Looking at that Blues squad, our forwards will be hard to beat. Should be able to dominate set piece and the ruck against many teams. The question is how well will the backs be able to use that ball? Black should be able to put the ball into the corners, and force full lineouts, but will we take the most of our chances, reduce errors, and make the right decisions in big games?

    Interestingly/sadly, there's only three players in that 23 from the Auckland team that played in the NPC final, and only one in the starting 15.

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    Nogusta
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    #200

    @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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    • N Nogusta

      @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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      @Nogusta said in Blues 2021:

      @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

      surely not! If so, well done on the good oil.

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      • N Nogusta

        @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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        #202

        @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

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        • TimT Tim

          @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

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          @Tim said in Blues 2021:

          @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

          Kid looks good.

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            If Ruru has been released ... it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Canes picked him up with TJP gone and Booth injured.

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              If Ruru has been released ... it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Canes picked him up with TJP gone and Booth injured.

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              @Stargazer he'd be selected as a lock for the canes though eh?

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                #206

                wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                  @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

                  wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

                  I agree, based on what I have seen. His performance against Northland was top notch (sorry @taniwharugby )

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                  • KiwiMurphK Online
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                    #208

                    He was good for Auckland, however, it's been proven he's not Super Rugby starter quality and arguably not even Super Rugby bench quality.

                    He's 27 years old - I'd rather the Blues have someone they think they can develop as the 3rd halfback.

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      He was good for Auckland, however, it's been proven he's not Super Rugby starter quality and arguably not even Super Rugby bench quality.

                      He's 27 years old - I'd rather the Blues have someone they think they can develop as the 3rd halfback.

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                      @KiwiMurph yeah there's that, maybe it's knowing there is pressure from Nock & Christie finally given him the arse kick he needed, OR, maybe he has requested a release knowing he may not get much time behind them?

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        @KiwiMurph yeah there's that, maybe it's knowing there is pressure from Nock & Christie finally given him the arse kick he needed, OR, maybe he has requested a release knowing he may not get much time behind them?

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                        #210

                        I would guess it's about signing a younger halfback like Funaki

                        If they signed all 3 established halfbacks another franchise might've given Funaki a full contract. In the short term it could be a bit of a risk though

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                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                          wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                          #211

                          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

                          wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

                          Agreed.
                          This was a 'whisper' I heard prior to the start of M10.

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                          • TimT Tim

                            With most of the squad known or rumoured now, it's time to take a stab at a prediction, with an allowance for some players possibly being signed early on due to COVID uncertainty (e.g. Choat missing out):

                            Props

                            Tu'inukuafe
                            Hodgman
                            N Mayhew
                            O Tu'ungafasi
                            Laulala
                            Renata

                            Hookers

                            Parsons
                            Eklund
                            Niuia (may be replaced by Tolai until recovered from injury)

                            Locks

                            Tuipulotu
                            Pierce
                            Goodhue
                            Cowley-Tuioti
                            Darry

                            Loose forwards

                            Gibson
                            Hunt
                            Papalii
                            Robinson
                            Sotutu
                            A Ioane
                            Riedlinger-Kapa

                            Halfbacks

                            Nock
                            Christie
                            Ruru

                            1st Five Eighths

                            Black
                            Perofeta
                            Plummer
                            Heighton

                            Midfield

                            Faiane
                            T Tele'a
                            R Ioane
                            TBC

                            Outside Backs

                            Clarke (may be absent for Olympics Sevens)
                            M Telea
                            Narawa
                            AJ Lam
                            Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
                            Sullivan

                            Tei Walden may be available for a midfield pick, provided he has recovered from his achilles tendon (?) injury. AJ Lam can cover centre, and possibly Clarke too. Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter? NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020. Would like to see Choat in the loose forwards if possible.

                            That's 38 players in total, looks like we had more last year due to cover for Clarke and Barrett, which included Marchant. Also had 8 loose forwards rather than 7, so maybe room for Choat yet.

                            Out:

                            Lindenmuth
                            Mafileo
                            Carroll
                            Lamborn
                            Tucker
                            Barrett
                            Marchent
                            Hyland
                            Duffie
                            Page

                            In:

                            N Mayhew
                            Laulala
                            Darry
                            Hunt
                            TBC (midfield)
                            AJ Lam
                            Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
                            Sullivan

                            Provincial breakdown:

                            Auckland - 8 forwards, 8 backs, 16 total
                            North Harbour - 6 forwards, 1 back, 7 total
                            Northland - 2 forwards, 1 back, 3 total
                            Counties - 2
                            BOP - 3
                            Ta$man - 3
                            Canterbury - 1
                            Taranaki - 2

                            Match XXIII

                            Big decision over fullback, maybe right wing, but that's about it. Expect plenty of rotation in the forwards

                            1 Hodgman
                            2 Eklund
                            3 Laulala
                            4 Tuipulotu
                            5 Pierce
                            6 A Ioane
                            7 Papalii
                            8 Sotutu

                            9 Nock (MacDonald may favour Christie though)
                            10 Black
                            11 Clarke
                            12 Faiane
                            13 R Ioane
                            14 M Telea
                            15 Sullivan (tight contest with Perofeta)

                            16 Parsons
                            17 Tu'inukuafe
                            18 Tu'ungafasi
                            19 Cowley-Tuioti/Goodhue
                            20 Robinson/Gibson/Hunt
                            21 Christie
                            22 Plummer
                            23 T Tele'a

                            With A Ioane showing he can attack a lineout at test level, there should be a lot of good options on either side of the lineout throw. Tuipulotu is good at attacking opposition throws at test level too, with Sotutu demonstrating that ability in SRA this year. Pierce was a standout forward in the NPC, and attacked the opposition lineout well too.

                            Looking at that Blues squad, our forwards will be hard to beat. Should be able to dominate set piece and the ruck against many teams. The question is how well will the backs be able to use that ball? Black should be able to put the ball into the corners, and force full lineouts, but will we take the most of our chances, reduce errors, and make the right decisions in big games?

                            Interestingly/sadly, there's only three players in that 23 from the Auckland team that played in the NPC final, and only one in the starting 15.

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                            #212

                            @Tim I think AJ Lam or Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens could possibly take that right wing spot off Mark Telea. Both had better M10 seasons than Telea.

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                            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                              He was good for Auckland, however, it's been proven he's not Super Rugby starter quality and arguably not even Super Rugby bench quality.

                              He's 27 years old - I'd rather the Blues have someone they think they can develop as the 3rd halfback.

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                              Dice
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #213

                              @KiwiMurph The coaches basically gave up on him last season.

                              Sadly, his service is just not quick enough for Super Rugby.

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                                I have yet to see AJ Lam do anything to make him stand out, good or bad. Have I missed something?

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                                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                  I have yet to see AJ Lam do anything to make him stand out, good or bad. Have I missed something?

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                                  #215

                                  @Crazy-Horse He wasn't great in his last two games coming off injury, but before the injury, he was maybe the form winger in the M10.

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                                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                    I have yet to see AJ Lam do anything to make him stand out, good or bad. Have I missed something?

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                                    @Crazy-Horse said in Blues 2021:

                                    I have yet to see AJ Lam do anything to make him stand out, good or bad. Have I missed something?

                                    Hah that's weird to see when I've missed the last couple of games and he was absolutely carving up prior to that. Wasn't he high up in both tries scored and assists?

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                                    • TimT Away
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                                      Tim
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                                      Was there anything on the Breakdown of interest from Leon MacDonald?

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        Was there anything on the Breakdown of interest from Leon MacDonald?

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                                        @Tim Hasn't been on, yet.

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                                        • TimT Tim

                                          Was there anything on the Breakdown of interest from Leon MacDonald?

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                                          @Tim It's more a group discussion about several subjects thus far.

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