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Blues 2021

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  • nzzpN nzzp

    @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

    @Tim looking at the depth of the bench is impressive!

    As you say, forwards are impressive, backs will be heavily reliant on the firepower of Rieko & Clarke, and after that things get a bit thinner.

    really?

    Telea, TJ Faiane - no shame in there. Perofeta was coming into his own at 15 ... they're not world beaters, but solid enough

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    #192

    @nzzp i just meant more reliant, didn't say they were shit or anything, plus an injury and it does get thin.

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      What's the go with James Little? Could he maybe pick up a midfield spot?

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        What's the go with James Little? Could he maybe pick up a midfield spot?

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        @KiwiMurph Maybe a bit small?

        Antonio Mikaele-Tu'u might be on the fringe too?

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          Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter?

          NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020.

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            Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter?

            NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020.

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            @Tim said in Blues 2021:

            Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter?

            NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020.

            He needs to prove himself at NPC level first. Grindlay can be a devastating runner but doesn't have much subtlety to his game.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              @Tim said in Blues 2021:

              Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter?

              NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020.

              He needs to prove himself at NPC level first. Grindlay can be a devastating runner but doesn't have much subtlety to his game.

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              @Bovidae Cheers. I've only seen him in schools rugby highlights.

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              • TimT Tim

                @Bovidae Cheers. I've only seen him in schools rugby highlights.

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                @Tim I assume he played club rugby in Auckland this year?

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  @Tim I assume he played club rugby in Auckland this year?

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                  @Bovidae Yeah, started a lot of games for College Rifles.

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                  • TimT Tim

                    With most of the squad known or rumoured now, it's time to take a stab at a prediction, with an allowance for some players possibly being signed early on due to COVID uncertainty (e.g. Choat missing out):

                    Props

                    Tu'inukuafe
                    Hodgman
                    N Mayhew
                    O Tu'ungafasi
                    Laulala
                    Renata

                    Hookers

                    Parsons
                    Eklund
                    Niuia (may be replaced by Tolai until recovered from injury)

                    Locks

                    Tuipulotu
                    Pierce
                    Goodhue
                    Cowley-Tuioti
                    Darry

                    Loose forwards

                    Gibson
                    Hunt
                    Papalii
                    Robinson
                    Sotutu
                    A Ioane
                    Riedlinger-Kapa

                    Halfbacks

                    Nock
                    Christie
                    Ruru

                    1st Five Eighths

                    Black
                    Perofeta
                    Plummer
                    Heighton

                    Midfield

                    Faiane
                    T Tele'a
                    R Ioane
                    TBC

                    Outside Backs

                    Clarke (may be absent for Olympics Sevens)
                    M Telea
                    Narawa
                    AJ Lam
                    Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
                    Sullivan

                    Tei Walden may be available for a midfield pick, provided he has recovered from his achilles tendon (?) injury. AJ Lam can cover centre, and possibly Clarke too. Meihana Grindlay might be a midfield bolter? NZ Schools 2019, NZ U20 training squad 2020. Would like to see Choat in the loose forwards if possible.

                    That's 38 players in total, looks like we had more last year due to cover for Clarke and Barrett, which included Marchant. Also had 8 loose forwards rather than 7, so maybe room for Choat yet.

                    Out:

                    Lindenmuth
                    Mafileo
                    Carroll
                    Lamborn
                    Tucker
                    Barrett
                    Marchent
                    Hyland
                    Duffie
                    Page

                    In:

                    N Mayhew
                    Laulala
                    Darry
                    Hunt
                    TBC (midfield)
                    AJ Lam
                    Raumaitavuki-Kneepkens
                    Sullivan

                    Provincial breakdown:

                    Auckland - 8 forwards, 8 backs, 16 total
                    North Harbour - 6 forwards, 1 back, 7 total
                    Northland - 2 forwards, 1 back, 3 total
                    Counties - 2
                    BOP - 3
                    Ta$man - 3
                    Canterbury - 1
                    Taranaki - 2

                    Match XXIII

                    Big decision over fullback, maybe right wing, but that's about it. Expect plenty of rotation in the forwards

                    1 Hodgman
                    2 Eklund
                    3 Laulala
                    4 Tuipulotu
                    5 Pierce
                    6 A Ioane
                    7 Papalii
                    8 Sotutu

                    9 Nock (MacDonald may favour Christie though)
                    10 Black
                    11 Clarke
                    12 Faiane
                    13 R Ioane
                    14 M Telea
                    15 Sullivan (tight contest with Perofeta)

                    16 Parsons
                    17 Tu'inukuafe
                    18 Tu'ungafasi
                    19 Cowley-Tuioti/Goodhue
                    20 Robinson/Gibson/Hunt
                    21 Christie
                    22 Plummer
                    23 T Tele'a

                    With A Ioane showing he can attack a lineout at test level, there should be a lot of good options on either side of the lineout throw. Tuipulotu is good at attacking opposition throws at test level too, with Sotutu demonstrating that ability in SRA this year. Pierce was a standout forward in the NPC, and attacked the opposition lineout well too.

                    Looking at that Blues squad, our forwards will be hard to beat. Should be able to dominate set piece and the ruck against many teams. The question is how well will the backs be able to use that ball? Black should be able to put the ball into the corners, and force full lineouts, but will we take the most of our chances, reduce errors, and make the right decisions in big games?

                    Interestingly/sadly, there's only three players in that 23 from the Auckland team that played in the NPC final, and only one in the starting 15.

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                    @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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                      @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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                      @Nogusta said in Blues 2021:

                      @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

                      surely not! If so, well done on the good oil.

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                        @Tim Not 100% sure but I heard a whisper that Ruru has been released.

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                        @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

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                        • TimT Tim

                          @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

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                          @Tim said in Blues 2021:

                          @Nogusta Interesting. Wonder if his replacement would be Funaki or someone else?

                          Kid looks good.

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                            If Ruru has been released ... it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Canes picked him up with TJP gone and Booth injured.

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                              If Ruru has been released ... it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Canes picked him up with TJP gone and Booth injured.

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                              @Stargazer he'd be selected as a lock for the canes though eh?

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                                wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                  wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                                  @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

                                  wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

                                  I agree, based on what I have seen. His performance against Northland was top notch (sorry @taniwharugby )

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                                    He was good for Auckland, however, it's been proven he's not Super Rugby starter quality and arguably not even Super Rugby bench quality.

                                    He's 27 years old - I'd rather the Blues have someone they think they can develop as the 3rd halfback.

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                                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                      He was good for Auckland, however, it's been proven he's not Super Rugby starter quality and arguably not even Super Rugby bench quality.

                                      He's 27 years old - I'd rather the Blues have someone they think they can develop as the 3rd halfback.

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                                      @KiwiMurph yeah there's that, maybe it's knowing there is pressure from Nock & Christie finally given him the arse kick he needed, OR, maybe he has requested a release knowing he may not get much time behind them?

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                                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                        @KiwiMurph yeah there's that, maybe it's knowing there is pressure from Nock & Christie finally given him the arse kick he needed, OR, maybe he has requested a release knowing he may not get much time behind them?

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                                        I would guess it's about signing a younger halfback like Funaki

                                        If they signed all 3 established halfbacks another franchise might've given Funaki a full contract. In the short term it could be a bit of a risk though

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

                                          wow, I thought he has been bloody good for Auckland this year too, probably his best season.

                                          Agreed.
                                          This was a 'whisper' I heard prior to the start of M10.

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