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AB EOYT 2018

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    Reading between the lines this will be the core 32 man squad and not the additionals for the Japan test.

    The #AllBlacks squad for the Vista 2018 Northern Tour will be named on Monday.
    
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      Reading between the lines this will be the core 32 man squad and not the additionals for the Japan test.

      The #AllBlacks squad for the Vista 2018 Northern Tour will be named on Monday.
      
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      @kiwimurph yeah I guess they'll await injuries etc in the NPC finals before confirming

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        All answered here:

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          Cheers for that, "... between 18, 19 players..." So 18 and a half players.

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            Cheers for that, "... between 18, 19 players..." So 18 and a half players.

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            @machpants said in AB EOYT 2018:

            Cheers for that, "... between 18, 19 players..." So 18 and a half players.

            18 players and a halfback

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              Using the RC squad as a starting point, they originally named 33 players.

              Hookers
              Dane Coles
              Nathan Harris
              Codie Taylor

              Props
              Owen Franks
              Joe Moody
              Tim Perry
              Karl Tu'inukuafe
              Ofa Tuungafasi

              Locks
              Scott Barrett
              Brodie Retallick
              Samuel Whitelock

              Loose Forwards
              Sam Cane --> Dillon Hunt
              Shannon Frizell
              Jackson Hemopo
              Kieran Read
              Ardie Savea
              Liam Squire
              Luke Whitelock

              Halfbacks
              TJ Perenara
              Aaron Smith
              Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi

              First five-eighths
              Beauden Barrett
              Damian McKenzie
              Richie Mo'unga

              Midfielders
              Ryan Crotty
              Jack Goodhue
              Anton Lienert-Brown
              Sonny Bill Williams

              Outside backs
              Jordie Barrett
              Rieko Ioane
              Nehe Milner-Skudder
              Waisake Naholo
              Ben Smith

              So one player has to miss out, probably Hemopo. There might be a temptation to find a place for Tuipulotu so there are 4 locks. That would have to be at the expense of a loose forward (Frizell or L Whitelock) or an outside back (NMS).

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              • A akan004

                @cgrant Agree with Pari Pari Parkinson, he looks really promising. Don't get the hype about Strange, Parkinson has been a lot more impressive imo.

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                @akan004 I feel the other way in games I watched. Didn't rate strange until this season, has impressesed with physicality I didn't think he had.

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                  @akan004 I feel the other way in games I watched. Didn't rate strange until this season, has impressesed with physicality I didn't think he had.

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                  @98blueandgold said in AB EOYT 2018:

                  @akan004 I feel the other way in games I watched. Didn't rate strange until this season, has impressesed with physicality I didn't think he had.

                  Was impressed with his play in Super Rugby but not so much in the NPC so far. Perhaps Parkinson has just stood out more, for me anyway.

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    Using the RC squad as a starting point, they originally named 33 players.

                    Hookers
                    Dane Coles
                    Nathan Harris
                    Codie Taylor

                    Props
                    Owen Franks
                    Joe Moody
                    Tim Perry
                    Karl Tu'inukuafe
                    Ofa Tuungafasi

                    Locks
                    Scott Barrett
                    Brodie Retallick
                    Samuel Whitelock

                    Loose Forwards
                    Sam Cane --> Dillon Hunt
                    Shannon Frizell
                    Jackson Hemopo
                    Kieran Read
                    Ardie Savea
                    Liam Squire
                    Luke Whitelock

                    Halfbacks
                    TJ Perenara
                    Aaron Smith
                    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi

                    First five-eighths
                    Beauden Barrett
                    Damian McKenzie
                    Richie Mo'unga

                    Midfielders
                    Ryan Crotty
                    Jack Goodhue
                    Anton Lienert-Brown
                    Sonny Bill Williams

                    Outside backs
                    Jordie Barrett
                    Rieko Ioane
                    Nehe Milner-Skudder
                    Waisake Naholo
                    Ben Smith

                    So one player has to miss out, probably Hemopo. There might be a temptation to find a place for Tuipulotu so there are 4 locks. That would have to be at the expense of a loose forward (Frizell or L Whitelock) or an outside back (NMS).

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                    @bovidae That will be pretty close.

                    I wonder whether NMS holds his place. They've hardly used him and the back three look pretty thin compared to the past.

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                      @bovidae That will be pretty close.

                      I wonder whether NMS holds his place. They've hardly used him and the back three look pretty thin compared to the past.

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                      @chris-b said in AB EOYT 2018:

                      @bovidae That will be pretty close.

                      I wonder whether NMS holds his place. They've hardly used him and the back three look pretty thin compared to the past.

                      NMS must either be carving it up in training, or holding incriminating photos to still be there. Surely the three wise men see something in him that we're missing - I'd be stoked to be proved wrong, but he ain't NMS v2015.

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                        @chris-b said in AB EOYT 2018:

                        @bovidae That will be pretty close.

                        I wonder whether NMS holds his place. They've hardly used him and the back three look pretty thin compared to the past.

                        NMS must either be carving it up in training, or holding incriminating photos to still be there. Surely the three wise men see something in him that we're missing - I'd be stoked to be proved wrong, but he ain't NMS v2015.

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                        @nzzp I think the real selectors are just generally a bit more conservative than the armchair selectors, when it comes to dropping the axe on players. Don't want to be calling up, discarding, recalling....etc.

                        So they give their players plenty of rope.

                        But if they're going to introduce new players into the mix before RWC, they're pretty close to the last chance saloon. And, I think NMS has been in both the France and Rugby Championship squads - and they've given him one game. Which doesn't seem like a huge vote of confidence.

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                          Bovidae
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                          Even though NMS is lucky to be in the AB squad I wouldn't be selecting a replacement for him in the 32. That's what Hansen is going to do with the extra 18.5 players, bring them into camp for a closer look and give some an opportunity vs Japan.

                          The likes of NMS, Hemopo and Akira will have 2 bites at the cherry as they can play for the Maori in their later games if not on the AB tour.

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                            @98blueandgold said in AB EOYT 2018:

                            @akan004 I feel the other way in games I watched. Didn't rate strange until this season, has impressesed with physicality I didn't think he had.

                            Was impressed with his play in Super Rugby but not so much in the NPC so far. Perhaps Parkinson has just stood out more, for me anyway.

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                            @akan004 I think Strange was more dominant in first few games, while Parkinson has played well in last few (in comparing two)

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                              Parkinson looks to have the best potential of the two. With an addition of 3 or 4 kgs, he could look like BBBR and why not, play like BBBR !

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                              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                Using the RC squad as a starting point, they originally named 33 players.

                                Hookers
                                Dane Coles
                                Nathan Harris
                                Codie Taylor

                                Props
                                Owen Franks
                                Joe Moody
                                Tim Perry
                                Karl Tu'inukuafe
                                Ofa Tuungafasi

                                Locks
                                Scott Barrett
                                Brodie Retallick
                                Samuel Whitelock

                                Loose Forwards
                                Sam Cane --> Dillon Hunt
                                Shannon Frizell
                                Jackson Hemopo
                                Kieran Read
                                Ardie Savea
                                Liam Squire
                                Luke Whitelock

                                Halfbacks
                                TJ Perenara
                                Aaron Smith
                                Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi

                                First five-eighths
                                Beauden Barrett
                                Damian McKenzie
                                Richie Mo'unga

                                Midfielders
                                Ryan Crotty
                                Jack Goodhue
                                Anton Lienert-Brown
                                Sonny Bill Williams

                                Outside backs
                                Jordie Barrett
                                Rieko Ioane
                                Nehe Milner-Skudder
                                Waisake Naholo
                                Ben Smith

                                So one player has to miss out, probably Hemopo. There might be a temptation to find a place for Tuipulotu so there are 4 locks. That would have to be at the expense of a loose forward (Frizell or L Whitelock) or an outside back (NMS).

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                                @bovidae

                                Nepo Laulala will be there, probably ahead of Tim Perry.

                                I'd pick a proper fourth lock (either Romano or Patrick T) ahead of Jackson Hemopo and Luke Whitelock.

                                I'm worried that SBW and NMS's lack of pace will be exposed against both England and Ireland by the likes of Elliot Daly, Jonny May, Simon Zebo or Jacob Stockdale. I'd rather see Laumape, Aso or Bridge selected.

                                Dillon Hunt looks too wee to be a top class international backrow player. Cane and Gibson are injured. Is it too early to pick Dalton Papali'i?

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                                  @bovidae

                                  Nepo Laulala will be there, probably ahead of Tim Perry.

                                  I'd pick a proper fourth lock (either Romano or Patrick T) ahead of Jackson Hemopo and Luke Whitelock.

                                  I'm worried that SBW and NMS's lack of pace will be exposed against both England and Ireland by the likes of Elliot Daly, Jonny May, Simon Zebo or Jacob Stockdale. I'd rather see Laumape, Aso or Bridge selected.

                                  Dillon Hunt looks too wee to be a top class international backrow player. Cane and Gibson are injured. Is it too early to pick Dalton Papali'i?

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                                  Nepia
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                                  @sparky said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                  @bovidae

                                  Nepo Laulala will be there, probably ahead of Tim Perry.

                                  I'd pick a proper fourth lock (either Romano or Patrick T) ahead of Jackson Hemopo and Luke Whitelock.

                                  I'm worried that SBW and NMS's lack of pace will be exposed against both England and Ireland by the likes of Elliot Daly, Jonny May, Simon Zebo or Jacob Stockdale. I'd rather see Laumape, Aso or Bridge selected.

                                  Dillon Hunt looks too wee to be a top class international backrow player. Cane and Gibson are injured. Is it too early to pick Dalton Papali'i?

                                  I think he's bigger than Todd and close to Cane's size.

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @sparky said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                    @bovidae

                                    Nepo Laulala will be there, probably ahead of Tim Perry.

                                    I'd pick a proper fourth lock (either Romano or Patrick T) ahead of Jackson Hemopo and Luke Whitelock.

                                    I'm worried that SBW and NMS's lack of pace will be exposed against both England and Ireland by the likes of Elliot Daly, Jonny May, Simon Zebo or Jacob Stockdale. I'd rather see Laumape, Aso or Bridge selected.

                                    Dillon Hunt looks too wee to be a top class international backrow player. Cane and Gibson are injured. Is it too early to pick Dalton Papali'i?

                                    I think he's bigger than Todd and close to Cane's size.

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                                    @nepia

                                    But Hunt is at least 10 kgs lighter and 10 cms shorter than Dan Leavy.

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                                      @nepia

                                      But Hunt is at least 10 kgs lighter and 10 cms shorter than Dan Leavy.

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                                      Nepia
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                                      @sparky said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                      @nepia

                                      But Hunt is at least 10 kgs lighter and 10 cms shorter than Dan Leavy.

                                      Um, so. 😉

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                                        Big decision coming up on who is the backup Openside. Dalton Papali'i's chances of making the 32 must have gone up in the last 24 hours.

                                        Interesting to see, as well, if certain experienced backs who have been disappointed in 2018 continue to get selected ahead of promising youngsters.

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                                          Has Rayasi a chance to be among the 18,5 players heading to Japan ? He's having an awsome M10 Cup.

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